Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reckless (2013 film)


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  01:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Reckless (2013 film)

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Fails WP:NFF. This was a TV pilot that was filmed (for ABC) but not picked up - an extremely common occurrence in TV. Never aired anywhere, despite article implying it did in 2013. Coverage is routine for pilot production.  DoubleCross  ( ‡ ) 16:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete at best due to the amount of articles published in early 2013. 👨x🐱 (talk) 21:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: The main purpose for this article was to disambiguate this pilot from the pilot to the 2014 TV series whose article is located at Reckless (TV series) because that is not the same thing and the two titles and release years are similar enough that they are often confused (as they were in the very first edit to the article itself). I would ideally like to keep it for that reason. However, if this article for the 2013 pilot film indeed ends up being deleted, please place a redirect to Martin Campbell instead of Reckless (TV series) in order to keep the two pilots distinguished from each other. --Nicholas0 (talk) 02:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I found some coverage about the production, but it all seems to have been released during a very short period of time in early 2013. Most of the coverage are announcements that this or that person were hired to star in the production, but there's not really anything about the production itself to show that it was particularly noteworthy. It doesn't seem to have ever released, which isn't uncommon for failed pilots.
 * I also have to question the term "film" to describe the pilot given that the coverage for it doesn't describe it as anything other than a pilot. While some pilots are made to be more or less standalone films (the better to market them later if the series isn't picked up), this isn't always the case. The only outlets describing it as a film are the IMDb page, this Wikipedia article, and other sites that can't really be used to establish claims of this being a film. For all we know, this could have been filmed as a straightforward TV episode. For example, the Unaired Buffy the Vampire Slayer pilot was shot as a TV episode, rather than a film. Barring RS that describe it as a TV film, we should only use the term "pilot". ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  12:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I also want to add that the existence of a notable show doesn't mean that this should have a redirect or hatnote. The coverage and average views are so fairly minor that I don't think that there's really much risk of confusion or a need for an article to prevent confusion. I don't really think that there are people searching this out and if this is a huge concern, then this could be summed up in maybe a sentence in the director's article, but I'd like to see some evidence of need for that first. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  12:36, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete pilot, didn't make the series. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Never picked up, didn't air as a film, no article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 19:00, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. Fails NFF. Kolma8 (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)


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