Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red And Anarchist Black Metal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Black metal.  Sandstein  20:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Red And Anarchist Black Metal

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Genre is a neologism. Only one instance of the term can be found. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:57, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  MT Train Talk 06:19, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

It may not be that common to hear about, but it is a true, sourced philosophy within black metal, such as national socialist black metal. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 11:44, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, what you need to do to prove that it is appropriate to have its own article, is to show that it meet the WP:GNG standard - that is, multiple third party sources that write in-depth articles about it. Professional music journalists and writers type stuff. WP:MUSIC/SOURCES has a good collection of usable and unusable example sources. Sergecross73   msg me  12:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, NOISEY, PopMatters, and Pitchfork are referenced in the page. Not to mention, a lot of the information on the page is from it’s part in Red and Anarchist black metal.

Here’s the PopMatters source. https://www.popmatters.com/161118-if-it-aint-got-no-blastbeat-its-not-my-revolution-panopticon-2495831478.html The rest are in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixty Minute Limit (talk • contribs)
 * Please list off all of the sources that directly mention and discuss the genre here. You need multiple that discuss it in-depth. Two is the technical minimum, though it usually takes more like 4 or 5 to convince people that a stand-alone article should exist, otherwise people may !vote that it should be merged into a different genre article as a subsection instead. Sergecross73   msg me  12:49, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

NOISEY source:

Pitchfork source:

PopMatters source:http://www.popmatters.com/column/161118-if-it-aint-got-no-blastbeat-its-not-my-revolution-panopticon/
 * A quick search shows that "Red And Anarchist Black Metal" has zero hits in the Noisey and Pitchfork articles. That's not a good sign. Sergecross73   msg me  13:08, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

But it is still mentioned in those articles.

Fourth article, I don’t know if this is a reliable source, but it was just the source for one band.
 * It's mentioned, but not by name? Please explain. Sergecross73   msg me  13:17, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

NOISEY calls them anarchist black metal. Pitchfork calls them anarchist black metal. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC) PopMatters doesn’t mention it by name but does make a reference on anarchy. It is safe to assume it talks about that when it also references know RABM bands. As well as for Lords of Metal, wich call it by the bane in the page, RABM.

Though we could re-name the article to just anarchist black metal.
 * It doesn't appear that you have the sources required to call it any of these things. There's a lot of original research going on here. That's probably why the nominator is trying to delete it... Sergecross73   msg me  13:45, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

He dominated it because of neologism. And I wouldn’t mind this getting merged into another page, I just don’t want this information to go to waste. And also, a lot of the links provided are from this page.
 * Right, and if you read Wikipedia's stance on not making neologisms, you'll see that original research is one of the major areas why it's not okay. It may be best to merge it back to heavy metal genres and have it as a redirect there. Sergecross73   msg me  14:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

I techenclly didn’t do original research, all I did was copy the paragraph that was in this page and did the same thing they were saying but in different ways. Oh, and if theres a merger, it’s better to put that paragraph on the black metal page, not in heavy metal genres. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to black metal. Per discussion points above. A single source references it, but not enough to meet the WP:GNG or warrant a stand-alone article. Sergecross73   msg me  13:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge I agree to merge it fully and how it’s currently written into the black metal page below the NSBM paragraph. I also copied the article, it’s now completly in in my sandbox, I’ll need comfirmation for it to be copy-pasted to the article below the NSBM paragraph. If someone is critical of this, please vote. Sixty Minute Limit (talk) 13:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


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