Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Arrow (Middle-earth)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to List of Middle-earth weapons and armour. Merging and redirect target may be further discussed on the article's talk page.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 16:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Red Arrow (Middle-earth)

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 * Someone prodded it as "There is no need for an article on such an obscure topic in a fictional universe.", but it needs proper discussion. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't need it's own article. There is a list of middle-earth artefacts floating about somewhere, that's good enough. GimliDotNet (talk) 07:08, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Someone can add it to a list if they feel like it, but this doesn't need its own article - it's totally non-notable even in its own universe. Compare Glamdring, Sting, and Angrist, which are much more important and don't have articles - we just don't cover fictional stuff in this amount of detail. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 07:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic is clearly notable being documented in detail in numerous sources such as The new Tolkien companion, Tolkien and the invention of myth, The forsaken realm of Tolkien: Tolkien and the medieval tradition, War and the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, &c. But the nominator provides no reason to delete and so there's no case to answer. Warden (talk) 09:29, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The article is nearly eight years old and uses only one source: a primary one at that. If it can be improved I may change my vote but I doubt it will be. GimliDotNet (talk) 09:42, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. One appearance doth not an article make. I wouldn't even put it in the List of Middle-earth objects. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:20, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You obviously haven't read the article as the arrow makes more than one appearance. Warden (talk) 10:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Meh. So there were two. Whoopee. I knew what it was, having read LOTR umpteen times, and already had a pretty clear opinion as to its relative importance. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the argument to avoid of WP:IKNOWIT which seems especially weak when it turns out that you don't in fact know it. Warden (talk) 10:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I'm also a fan, but this is way too trivial for a general interest encyclopedia. (Sting does not have an article?) BigJim707 (talk) 16:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Our policy is that Wikipedia "...incorporates elements of general and specialized encyclopedias". It contains millions of articles on many minor and abstruse topics which are of no general interest.  You do not provide a reason to discriminate against this one and so your opinion just seems to be a variant of WP:IDONTLIKEIT.  (Sting is a blue link: Sting (Middle-earth)). Warden (talk) 16:33, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's just a redirect to a list, which you would know if you followed the link. I'm calling WP:POT on this one :-D GimliDotNet (talk) 17:19, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Note The basic information is already given in List of Middle-earth weapons and armour. BigJim707 (talk) 16:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per above reasons, Sadads (talk) 21:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth weapons and armour, per WP:ATD. The material is sourced, but not notable enough for its own article. Jclemens (talk) 21:34, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth weapons and armour. I see that an exhaustive guide like The Tolkien Companion only gives small coverage. Article has one scholar source explaining the historical parallel to an old poem, and that bit of info should be merged. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am a fan too, but can't say it better than "There is no need for an article on such an obscure topic in a fictional universe." --Legis (talk - contribs) 00:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth weapons and armour per comments above. De728631 (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note People voting for a merge should know that the subject is already covered on the List of Middle-earth weapons and armour. --Bajazeth.  And think to rouse us from our dreadful siege / Of the famous Grecian Constantinople 00:31, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth objects. The topic meets all five criteria of the general notability guideline and there are two independent reliable secondary sources in the article right now. More could be added per Warden's comment above. So what if it will never be a 10,000 word article. Wikipedia is not paper, so we don't have to pick and choose what little articles we can include and which we have to cut—we can include them all. I agree that not much was said about the Red Arrow in LoTR. Because of this, significant coverage in secondary sources might mean only a paragraph or two, but it would be a shame to see that information lost. (Did you know there was an historical antecedent in Old English poetry? I didn't.) At the very least, it should be merged. Because it is a token and symbol—neither weapon nor armor—I think it would be perfect in List of Middle-earth objects along with the Arkenstone, Nauglamír, Phial of Galadriel, etc. Cheers. Braincricket (talk) 12:08, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.