Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red counties and blue counties


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The result was delete. Any editor can create a redirect if desired. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Red counties and blue counties

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I feel this list isn't useful and cites no sources. WP:LISTCRUFT Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. I don't see this as being useful either. The editor could just have easily created an article on "red and blue cities" or "red and blue municipalities", etc. While obviously based on the Red states and blue states article, I fail to see why WP needs Red counties and blue counties. It's also completely unsourced. --Kbabej (talk) 02:43, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails notability guidelines, also per WP:NOTEVERYTHING.Less Unless (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per above and redirect to red states and blue states. &minus;&minus;&minus; Cactus Jack 🌵 21:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is a horribly simplistic article. Counties change over time. Even more fun there are lots of cases where in the same election candidates of different parties have carried different elections in the same county. Time and level matter, and this article considers neither.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment At the county level especially you also have 3 other issues that are ignored in this formation, actually four. We have the split ticket voting/abstaining in elections/3rd party voting that casues the split victories that I mention above. Even at the state level I can point out cases where one party has won some state-wide elected offices and the other has won others. From at least 1990-2010 even just in Michigan's 4 top ranked state-wide elected offices there was party split. There were also elections where one party won the senate and the other the governorship. At county levels you can have cases where there are so many non-citizens that election participation is not really defining to the population, others have so many people not registered to vote including those who do not vote because of their religion (such as Amish and Jehovah's Witnesses and some members of the Nation of Islam, the first are heavily concentrated in some counties), that voter participation and results is not meaningful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment as much as I hate the simplistic rhetoric of red state/blue state it is actually used, even though it sometimes elides much more than it reveals, such as obscuring extremely one party leaning counties in states that are dominated by the other party, such as Summit County, Utah, however the term "red county" and "blue county" are not widely used. Most counties do have some sort of elected government and these are usually elected on a partisan basis, however many counties have a non-unitary form of government, and most elect multiple county officials county wide. In Michigan only 3 counties have a county executive, and all three of those counties also elect 4 other executive officers on a county wide level. Just to make things more fun I can name a county executive who was elected by one party and then ran for governorship for the other party. Also 1 entire state, and parts of at least 5 other states exist outside of county government. Trying to extend this to cities would be even more ludicrous because in several states city elections are non-partisan.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT - far to many issues to fix now. Agreeable to redirect per WP:CHEAP. Bearian (talk) 16:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)


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