Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ref Cuaresma


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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 13:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Ref Cuaresma

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL, despite what the page creator put of a Filipino footballer playing for Laos at the 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup. This player has yet to make international debut or play in a fully pro league. Also fails WP:GNG. Mas y mas (talk) 13:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Is your problem with the article that the creator accidentially wrote Laotian instead of Philippine football team or do you question the notability of this particular sportsperson as such? Normally people that play for a national team on an international level are accepted as notable, and as far s I can gather the 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup is part of the FIFA franchise. Travelbird (talk) 13:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This player has yet to make a full international appearance, let alone play at the 2012 AFF Suzuki Cup and also does not play in a fully pro league and therefore fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Mas y mas (talk) 13:23, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at the game stats is does seem that he has not played. Do you know whether he is actually part of the lineup for the tournament? If so, we might hold off on the deletion until the tournament is over (just to avoid having to re-create it again, if he does play). Travelbird (talk) 13:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * He's the backup goalkeeper. Looks highly unlikely that he'll play. Mas y mas (talk) 12:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Not listed at FIFA or NFT - can be re-created if/when he makes his international debut. GiantSnowman 14:00, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete for now - as he hasn't played yet for either the Azkals or at the UFL he still fails WP:NFOOTBALL. No prejudice against recreation once he goes pro. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Although he'd surely not play for the national team anytime soon barring a massive injury to the first choice keeper, he's the starting keeper for the Loyola Meralco Sparks F.C., but the UFL isn't a fully-professional league as most players have day jobs. Ergo, it fails WP:NFOOTBALL. – H T  D  14:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * But the UFL is still the de-facto premier league of Filipino football, isn't it? It's still the highest level of football in the Philippines, right? Honestly, I thought that the UFL was already fully professional. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it is de facto the top flight in the Philippines but it isn't fully professional. For example, the members of the Loyola side that participated in the 2012 Singapore Cup had to file leaves on their day (or night) jobs in order to participate (I dunno if Cuaresma was one of them). As cited in that article, there were even instances where players left at halftime to go to their day/night jobs. Could be more tragic for the armed forces sides if they're deployed to a war zone and can't participate in some key matches. – H T  D  15:18, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This, of course, depends on how you'd define "professional", much less "fully professional". There was a court case several years ago on whether the Philippine Basketball League (which billed itself as a "semi-professional" league) is a professional league; the court ruled that it is a professional league, which made it to be subjected to the regulation of the Games and Amusements Board (GAB). The GAB regulates professional sports in the country from the Philippine Basketball Association up to the likes of the URCC and professional boxing via issuing licenses to players. I dunno what's the status of the UFL vis a vis with the GAB, but I don't think it has anything to do with it as long as "fully professional" is concerned. – H T  D  15:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - he has not received significant coverage or played in a fully pro league or for the Filipino national team. This means the article fails both WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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