Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reformation Bible Puritan Baptist Church


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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:50, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Reformation Bible Puritan Baptist Church

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This is a WP:FRINGE group, and doesn't appear to be a notable one. The only independent coverage I find is. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 00:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * DeleteNot any more notable than any other church. Just because it is a hate group doesn't make it any more notable Neither, does the fact that the pastor has an internet radio show (anybody can do that). Fails WP:GNG making this a strong delete.--Rusf10 (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep Almost all hate group are fringe.  However, this group gained notoriety as they are listed as a hate organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center.  Further to this, Vatican Assassins which is distributed by the Church (authored by Phelps) is considered a foundational book for many in the conspiracy industry.  It is in par with the Turner Diaries fame.  Here are some other sites  regarding the organization https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2011/11/23/vatican-assassins-one-stop-website-conspiratologists  DeusImperator (talk) 08:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment -- This is an obnoxious group in my view. It sounds like a small one, possibly a one-man band.  The only reason to keep it would be that it was so notorious as to be notable on that ground.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:26, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Coverage in WP:RS appears to be limited to a small number of articles mentioning this church (apparently a single location denomination) as among the groups listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center, and a feature article in the local newspaper Lebanon Daily News (pop. of Lebanon, Pa., : 23,000)  Newmanstown man plans for racially separated Lebanon County.  While the Lebanon Daily News is a WP:RS, this church, recently established run by an avowed racist, fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * delete I'm not convinced that simply getting listed by the SPLC is enough notoriety, and while appears that Phelps's book has a better claim to that, notoriety, er, notability is not inherited. One gets the sense that it isn't so much a hate group as it is one hate person who wrote one hateful book. Mangoe (talk) 16:59, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Semi-strong keep. The SPLC is a major organization related to the subject, I'd say a designation from them confers notability. That should be worked into the article per WP:IMPROVE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etzedek24 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment There is an article on the Rational Wiki on the elder bishop Eric Jon Phelps.  He has been on a couple of talk shows as well.  Most of these churches are single church independent groups, much like the Westboro Baptists who have only a single Church without affiliation to a larger church group. However, Phelps does have quite a bit of influence over some of the independent fundamentalist through his writings - Vatican Assassins which is now a four volume book (fourth edition).  Individuals who peddle conspiracies quote from the books as if it is fact. DeusImperator (talk) 05:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficient coverage. Being listed by the SPLC does not automatically make an organization notable. feminist (talk) 14:39, 24 January 2018 (UTC)


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