Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reformist Socialists


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 07:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Reformist Socialists

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As the page introduction itself admits, this is a tiny party; it has sporadically participated in a few local elections (with poor results). The page about this party is written in three lines and is practically orphan (except for a not necessary mention on the SDI page); furthermore few sources mention it, almost exclusively with reference to the leader Donato Robilotta and not to the party itself. It does not seem to me that this party meets WP:GNG. I can imagine replies like that the sources have disappeared because a few years have passed from its foundation and that every little piece of political history deserves to have an article on Wikipedia, but if notability cannot be proved it cannot be assumed, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete No significant coverage, at best it could be merged to The People of Freedom but even that is probably unnecessary since it would not any real value that I can see. Chagropango (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics,  and Italy. Shellwood (talk) 21:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Long-time (still active) party based in Lazio worth of an article. There are virtually 1,000 Google hits for "socialisti riformisti" + "donato robilotta". Please also not that the party was represented in the Regional Council of Lazio. If there is no consensus on keeping the article, it could be merged into New Italian Socialist Party. --Checco (talk) 14:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Is there RS coverage or no? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  21:51, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Checco, if any of the Google hits are of reliable and significant sources please note them here or, even better, use them to improve the page. I found only one possibly good source: but I don't know how it fits into the article. Lamona (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not going to edit the article unless this discussion ends with "keep": too many articles have been recently deleted and I do not want to waste time. It might be difficult to find sources online on a minor party, which is still active (see here), but whose brightest days are behind. However, a political party which was represented in a Regional Council (see here) and has been active for 15+ years is de facto encyclopedic. Again, I hope the article will be kept and, after that, I will be more than willing to improve it. If that is not possible, I hope it can at least be merged with New Italian Socialist Party. --Checco (talk) 07:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The first one you provide is a blog post that lists all of the parties for an election in one town. It includes this party, so that shows it was in that election. But not RS. The second has a two-line quote from the head of the party. I know that it is difficult to find whole articles about the party because it is a minor party in a crowded field. But without significant sources it is not "de facto encyclopedic." I'm neutral on whether it is merged but delete for keeping as a separate article. Lamona (talk) 16:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The blog is the most authoritative and complete source on political parties in Italy and, by the way, the RS is mentioned for the 2022 municipal election in Rieti, Lazio (check number 16) of the list). I mentioned source 1 to show that the party is still active and it has been active for some 15 years, and source 2 to show that the party was represented in the Regional Council of Lazio, an assembly representing 5.5+ million people. --Checco (talk) 21:42, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment: Google hits: many. Of which, secondary sources: not so many. Of which, reliable secondary sources: few. Of which, reliable secondary sources independent of the subject: fewer. Of which, reliable secondary sources independent of the subject with significant coverage of the topic (the ones requested for articles in Wikipedia): far fewer. Of all the Google hits, I think only this one can be considered a valid RS. I think however it is too few to allow the subject to have its own article. P1221 (talk) 13:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment:
 * If the article ends up being kept, I would suggest that some of the wording (e.g. "tiny", "finally") should be changed under MOS:OP-ED.
 * Secondly, I note that the fr: equivalent is slightly longer. Can any information be imported from there? It Is Me Here (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @It Is Me Here In reality, the French page doesn't add much else, except for a decidedly wrong statement: this party never participated in the Umbrian regional election in 2010, the list that participated was linked to the Italian Socialist Party.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for taking a look. I'm fine for it to be deleted then, per commenters above. It Is Me Here (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.