Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reggie Love


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mr.Z-man 00:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Reggie Love

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

This article is ridiculous. We wouldn't have articles on any other countries' presidents' personal aides, security guards, cleaners, or kitchen assistants, or other people in non-political, low-level, menial positions. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for White House fancruft. If someone wants to write articles on every person working in the White House, they should start a Wikia project instead. The guy's job was basically to give Obama his snacks and arrange his meals and so forth. You don't get to have a biographical article in an encyclopedia based on that. Bjerrebæk (talk) 05:07, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Keep. I don't feel TOO strongly about this, but if you are going to scrub out this page, you should go through the Body man page and scrub out several others, if not all of them. Love is certainly more notable than several others that have pages. Love was mentioned a lot on media during his time with Obama - much more than "security guards, cleaners, or kitchen assistants", none of which, to my knowledge, had even a fraction of Love's media presence.

Notability is subjective but he's reasonably notable. I would not have recognized any of the names of the three people who have served as Secretary of Commerce in the Obama administration but I would have recognized Love's name, and I doubt I'm alone. (Admittedly, I cherry picked the only cabinet position that's true of, but the point stands.)

I don't see the lack of pages on David Cameron's Guy Friday as particularly relevant - all things American have more detail on wikipedia; it's the nature of the medium.Atarr (talk) 07:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Some of those listed on body man have become notable for other things after they were personal assistants. The only thing Reggie Love has done afterwards is going to university, which is fine, but which doesn't merit a biographical article in an encyclopedia. It all boils down to his experience as a valet/personal servant and his going to university afterwards. It is indeed possible that there are other articles that should be deleted (and I will give the issue due consideration when we are done with this one), although "other stuff exists" is not a valid reason to keep an article. The same notability standards apply to American topics as to topics related to any other country; I suspect an article on a personal assistant to the German President, or the Danish Prime Minister, whose job was to arrange his employer's meals and hand them their snacks, would be deleted very quickly. Bjerrebæk (talk) 08:33, 13 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's his history before becoming Obama's body man (2-sport athlete at Duke and multiple tryouts with NFL teams) and the basketball tie-in (regular pickup partner of Obama's) that earned him all the press in the first place. It was just a fun story that a lot of the press ran with.


 * Again, it really seems like notability is pretty subjective if you don't try to measure it. One obvious measure is google hits; "Reggie Love" generates almost 150,000 with no notable crossover from any other Reggie Loves.  Going down the list of the other "Body Men" with articles, most of them are nowhere near that.  The only one that surpassed Love without lots of obvious false positives was Huma Abedin, who (much like Love) is known for various tangential connections to more than one big story. (Although the wiki is mercifully silent on this subject, Love was also the subject of some of the more over-the-top theories about Obama in some parts of the blogosphere.) Atarr (talk) 22:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ⨹   21:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG through multiple examples of substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. Whether a subject "deserves" such coverage is irrelevant; we don't make that subjective determination, the reliable sources do. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The multiple reliable sources clearly establish notability for Mr. Love. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 00:14, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.