Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rehane Abrahams


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the nomination was no consensus due to new claims of notability not being adequately addressed. --Sam Blanning(talk) 13:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Rehane Abrahams
No vote procedural nomination. This was speedied back in May, and an editor left a note at Wikipedia talk:Deletion review asking for undeletion. I checked it out, thought A7 was too harsh, and asked the deleting sysop to consent to bring it back, avoiding DRV. Basically, Ethnopunk's position is that "[s]he is an important South African actress" - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete doesn't seem to meet WP:BIO or WP:PORN (not policy, but it does make sense). If she can be shown to be notable in South Africa I could be persauded to change my opinion. --Pboyd04 16:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't think WP:PORN applies here. I would be curious to hear what sources Ethnopunk adduces in support. - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Guess I don't know the meaning of "art-core" porn. --Pboyd04 17:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a huge amount of references sitting on Google. Perhaps the issue is one of reference and correcting the miscategorisation. WP:BIO applies, but I think WP:PORN is a bit of an overstatement. She only shot one or two soft-porn movies and not very good ones at that. She is most notable as a stage actress and has won various awards in South Africa. Check http://www.feministafrica.org/04-2005/matchett.html and http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2611686&fSectionId=443&fSetId=218 Ethnopunk 11:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. This person appears to be involved in the legitimate theater in South Africa. See, for example. --Metropolitan90 16:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete no references, and neither the IMDB or Google look very promising. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above. -- Kungfu Adam ( talk ) 18:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. My interpretations of WP:BIO and WP:PORN are rather lenient, in my opinion, and this person still does not manage to meet either guideline for inclusion.  RFerreira 01:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct Why don't we ask the original editors to correct the mistake. Otherwise I would be more than happy to correct and bring the article up to WP:BIO standard. Please see criteria: "Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions." Ethnopunk 11:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you explain to all of precisely how this person meets BIO, preferably with links to back you up? - CrazyRussian talk/email 13:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This seems like a well meaning but somewhat over-enthusiastic attempt to delete a biography from a smaller country. The South African movie scene isn't big, and what there is is under-represented in IMDB, and is unlikely to seem "well known" to foreign Wikipedians.  This person seems to have made a mark in South Africa, and her name crops up as the subject of a number of articles on Google .  There are hardly any African editors on Wikipedia, especially in special interest areas like the alternative scene and the arts - shouldn't Wikipedians rather be encouraging biographies of this sort? Zaian 15:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep and Rewrite. I've added this vote after doing a bit of background research. She is notable on a number of counts, including as the winner of the FNB Vita award for Best Actress for 2001 in South Africa. I've added an intro paragraph to the article and another biographical link. I think the rest of the article needs to be rewritten to remove its heavy and self-indulgent style.  As it stood, it was hard to separate facts from porn from opinion. The article also omits mentioning Raya and What the Water Gave Me, which other sources mention as two of her most significant works. Zaian 16:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep per Zaian. - Crazy Rouge ian talk/email 06:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.