Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reichian body-oriented psychotherapy


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The result was merge to Body psychotherapy.  Sandstein  19:38, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Reichian body-oriented psychotherapy

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I had merged this article with body psychotherapy, but a user reverted this merger with the claim that the umbrella term is not a synonym. However, there does not seem to be a type of body psychotherapy that is not based in part on Reich's claims. As such, this article is either functioning as a soapbox or it is a WP:POVFORK. Either way, that's a delete or "reinstate redirect". jps (talk) 11:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. The nominator's rationale is contradicted by the Body psychotherapy itself, which reads:
 * Alongside the body psychotherapies built directly on the work of Reich, there is a branch of post-Jungian body psychotherapies, developed from Jung's idea of the 'somatic unconscious'. While many post-Jungians dismiss Reich and do not work with the body, contributors to Jungian derived body psychotherapy include Arnold Mindell with his concept of the 'dreambody' and the development of process oriented psychology.   Process oriented psychology is known for its focus on the body and movement.

--Softlavender (talk) 12:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think you've gotten this confused here. If you check each of these sources you will find references back to Reich who indeed was the initiator of this modality. That some later therapists have thought it wise to avoid Reich in their justifications and refer instead to his antecedent Jung is not surprising given the issues that arose with Reich's orgone medicine. The point is, however, that these are not two separate subjects and the article that exists does not add any reliably sourced content to Wikipedia beyond promotion of pseudoscience. jps (talk) 14:55, 4 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment Note that the article was originally named bioenergetic analysis, which is definitely not synonymous with body psychotherapy. I suspect the renaming was misguided. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:36, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That may be the case, but it's very hard to identify sources which indicate that these therapies are receiving notice outside of the small communities which promote them. I think it may be worthwhile to pare down our coverage of these until we find better sources. Right now, we're relying on the credulity of therapists who promote their methods over others without much third-party review. jps (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That may be the case, but as it turns out, only Reichian body-oriented psychotherapy contains any significant criticism. Body psychotherapy, instead, is written from the POV of its adherents. Therefore, deleting Reichian body-oriented psychotherapy would exacerbate the POV problem. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to body psychotherapy - this does seem to be notable bollocks, but there's really only one topic as far as I can tell so the issue is basically one of WP:POVFORKing. Guy (help!) 11:34, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into body psychotherapy - suggests it's Reichian.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 00:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Psychology-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:50, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge as suggested. I remember studying this as a undergrad in my Psychology of Motivation course. There's not enough a a difference with body psychology, so this is in effect a fork. Bearian (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


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