Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reichskommissariat Ural


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:44, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Reichskommissariat Ural

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Article seems to be a hoax. No references to "Reichskommissariat Ural" found on Google Books. Mvaldemar (talk) 17:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, per WP:V and no WP:RS for this stub on something which never existed. Noted that the creator's account is globally "locked" and this editor was blocked on one Wikipedia in the past, already. Kierzek (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I couldnt find anything regarding a planned Reichskommissariat Ural. The planned Reichskommissariate for Barbarossa were RK Ostland, RK Ukraine, RK Baltenland (later absorbed by RK Ostland), RK Kaukasus, RK Rußland or later named RK Moskowien (Moscow and everything further east) and a not really defined Reichskommissariat for the area area around Turkestan in Asia (according. to Germany and the Second World War, Volume 4, pp. 419-421). This supposed Reichskommissariat Ural would simply fall into Reichskommissariat Rußland/Moskowien. The plan for the occupation for Russia was made by Alfred Rosenberg, but a Reichskommissariat only for the Ural was never planned. It may be possible that Rosenberg and his staff were discussing that back then internally, but it never went officially it seems and the lack of mentioning this in RS is telling. Due the lack of RS I therefore say that the article should be deleted, per WP:GNG and WP:V, since it cant be verified. Dead Mary (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a reference to a proposed Reichskommissariat for the Ural region in the book Himmler's Raumplanung in Osten: Der Generalplan Ost in Polen 1940-1945, p. 51. I haven't been able to locate the book online to verify this. Mvaldemar (talk) 08:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:31, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Without reliable sources discussing the subject, how could we have a article about it? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 14:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It was possibly a government structure whose creation was discussed, but German forces did not penetrate to the Urals, so that it cannot have happened. Dead Mary's contribution suggest that even that is going too far.  Either OR or plain HOAX.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete A Google search on ["Reichskommissariat" central and south Ural "Sir Hartley Shawcross"] gives as the third hit the page [www.iro.umontreal.ca/~felipe/IFT6010-Automne2009/Data/TP2/docs/english/o/Operation_Barbarossa].  While not itself a reliable source, that page has many references at the bottom, and the text on the page says, "During the Nuremberg Trials in 1946, Sir Hartley Shawcross announced that in March 1941 in addition to administrative divisions previously created the following divisions in Russian East were planned: * Ural (Central and South Ural and nearest territories, created from planned East Russian European territorial reorganization).  So I doubt that this article is a hoax, but without a link to a reliable source, we and our readers can't verify the information as accepted fact."  Fails WP:DEL7.  There is related material at The Ural mountains in Nazi planning.  Unscintillating (talk) 17:00, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * With further review, I've found that the link I cited originates from the July 2008 Wikipedia article on Operation Barbarossa, and the detail I've quoted was removed here, as well as there were two other edits at that time to remove this information on the grounds that it was a "fabrication". I don't know if it was a fabrication or not, I just know we can't verify the information.  Unscintillating (talk) 17:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


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