Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reid G. Sheftall


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The result was   delete. Courcelles 19:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Reid G. Sheftall

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Appears to be an autobiography written by the article subject. Relies mainly on primary sources with only a couple of references from strictly local media. Kelly hi! 13:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete Not known enough. Also the fact that the article has his weight proves that it is written by himself unless he goes to a fitness club and his instructor is a big enough fan to make a Wikipedia article on him Naomib1996 (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of general notability based on inadequate coverage. Many of the sources are local publications or from his almae matres—not ideal as third-party. A search of WSJ gives no hits on the last name. The books appear to be vanity press: I only found one other book by "CandleLight Books" and it may have been a duplicate name. An Amazon.com name search is used as a reference four times.Novangelis (talk) 14:50, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity page, as explained above. Agricola44 (talk) 15:09, 11 August 2011 (UTC).
 * Delete. This polymath appears to have made little or no impact on the world of physics. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Keep - I, Greg Regan, am the author of this article and not the subject, Dr. Sheftall. I have prepared the article based on my own internet research and local knowledge being a resident here in Phnom Penh, Cambodia since 2001. The ex-pat community is very close-knit so I had heard about Dr. Sheftall’s charity work from others before actually meeting him. I have met Dr. Sheftall on a handful of occasions as a patient. Two of those meetings lasted a few hours: the first a couple of years ago when Dr. Sheftall accompanied my mother to Bangkok for a bile duct operation and earlier this year when he surgically removed a lump from my back. This gave us time to talk and learn more about him. I have seen Sheftall’s Tour Card, the Most Valuable Surgery Resident Award and the 99th percentile certificates. Notability is justified on becoming a professional golfer at age 48 which is a feat in itself, especially when you consider the sub-standard golfing facilities here in Cambodia and the fact that Sheftall was (and still is) running his full-time clinic AND doing free reconstructive plastic surgery for acid-burn victims.


 * Let me just respond to some of the points raised in this discussion so far...


 * “the fact that the article has his weight proves that it is written by himself”. Actually, I didn’t personally weigh Dr. Sheftall. I found this information here…(http://www.asianseniormasters.com/playerprofile.asp?sortby=NationalityDesc&PlayerID=491). I didn’t reference it as I looked at the model for other professional golfers and noted that their height and weight was not referenced. The fact the article has his height and weight could indicate, as evidence (not proof), that the article was written by Dr. Sheftall. Proof and evidence are two very different things.


 * “Many of the sources are local publications” All publications are local. The Wall Street Journal is local as is the The New York Times.


 * “...or from his almae matres” Technical Review is the world's leading authority on technological innovation. It doesn’t specifically focus on the exploits of MIT alumni.


 * “This polymath appears to have made little or no impact on the world of physics” Fair enough comment but Dr. Sheftall did teach physics at U.S.C. at age 21 which is very unusual. In any case, I am not evaluating notability on only one point.


 * “A search of WSJ gives no hits on the last name.” That seems to be an issue with the WSJ’s search engine. You can find the WSJ article that mentions Dr. Sheftall here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704013004574517892268554388.html). The point of the article is that it is extremely difficult to turn pro-golfer even if you have the time, facilities and resources. Dr. Sheftall achieved pro-status nevertheless with little time to practice and with access to only mediocre facilities.


 * Also, in line with Wiki deletion guidelines, I'd request that contributors refrain from using the word "vanity". --Aaregg (talk) 08:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC) — Aaregg (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment. Websites, such as the one you furnish are ephemeral and not routinely considered to be acceptable sources (though there are some very strained exceptions). The WSJ article you mention is an example of a "trivial mention": It's a few sentences that say that Sheftall founded a charity clinic and plays professional golf in Malaysia. It would probably be a clincher if the article were about him per se rather than being about the phenomenon of older adults playing golf. Agricola44 (talk) 15:54, 17 August 2011 (UTC).


 * Delete as per Novangelis and nom. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
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