Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reign of Terror (demo)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Reign of Terror (demo)

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Contested prod. Fails WP:MUSIC. Demos are not notable without significant coverage in independent reliable sources. SummerPhD (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep, please keep, this is one of most best demo of Death, --Eduardofoxx13 (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: What do you mean by "most best demo"? Whether or not someting is the best is subject to opinion, and can't be a factor as to what pages can be saved. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 01:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete (or redirect to band, if anyone thinks "Reign of Terror (demo)" doesn't meet WP:CSD). No evidence of notability of demo-album (not surprising, seems to be their actual demos before becoming a notable band, not demo/mixtape/promos in the course of their citedly-notable career). Does appear to be mentioned in the band's article as part of their history, but albums can't ride notability-coattails ("important to the band" != "notable enough for own article"). Template:Death (band) has a whole list of demo tapes that are in various stages of PROD, and I'd say they can all delete per same rationale. Heads-up for socks in this process. DMacks (talk) 05:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Death's demos have been widely covered in the metal press, including by such notable genre authors as Ian Christe, Garry Sharpe-Young, Martin Popoff, etc. The demos themselves are all being released within the year, as per a press release by Relapse Records on May 10, 2010. I agree that, if deleted, should be incorporated into a section within body of artist page. Best, A Sniper (talk) 06:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's been widely covered can you please provide some of the coverage? Then add it to the article? Rehevkor ✉  12:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment See also Articles for deletion/Death Metal (Possessed demo) (3rd nomination) for another demo by same band. DMacks (talk) 06:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not the same band, leading me to believe that those wanting to purge these demos are actually editing in areas in which they have either no expertise or interest, with all due respect.  The other band you're referring to is called Possessed, which is also a pioneer in the genre death metal. Best, A Sniper (talk) 17:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Or, it could be an honest and minor mistake. Rehevkor ✉  17:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - DMacks comes to this discussion shortly after blocking a sockpuppet who was doing a poor job of "protecting" both of the articles (Reign... and Death...). Assuming good faith, this was an honest mistake. One does not need "expertise" in the band/genre to see that we do not currently have substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. If you have them, please add them to the article. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yup. However, we as editors are essentially commandanded not to trust each others' word about notability (my interest and expertise are irrelevant, just like other editors'). Verifibility means says that claims of notability must be supported by independent reliable sources. DMacks (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As these Death demos have been written about in the established metal press, I will try and get to adding references by Friday, if that is cool. Best, A Sniper (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as demos are generaly not notable and no reference indicates otherwise. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  01:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I would point out a couple of things - these demos have all been distributed as independent releases (individually and as part of the Zero Tolerance CD, 2004), and secondly they are all being included on an upcoming Relapse Records/Sony CD. Best, A Sniper (talk) 20:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. There seems to be notable souces put on the page since it was tagged for deleteion. Due to the two sources being published books, that constitutes as "notable coverage" on wikipedia, if I am correct. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 05:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm not sure what you mean by "notable coverage". We need "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Yes, published books appear to be both "reliable" and "independent of the subject". However, is the coverage "significant"? That is: do we have sufficient coverage to write a reasonably detailed article? - SummerPhD (talk) 05:16, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * CommentFans of the genre certainly are aware of the immense importance of these demos. I will soon start giving quotes from all of the metal mags of the era - that is if you eager beavers haven't deleted it by then (and of course there isn't the consensus to do so).  Best, A Sniper (talk) 05:25, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article's claim to notability, that the demo "influenced the Death metal scene tremendously", appears to be a mistake. The cited and linked book appears to be referring to another album. -- Pink Bull  01:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. With all due respect, the above comment is absurd. I am looking at the book right now - it refers to the demo, and then, referring to Kam Lee's vocals on that demo, makes the statement included in the sourced quote. Best, A Sniper (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm sorry. I thought Kim Lee was someone else and did not realize he was on Reign of Terror. -- Pink Bull  15:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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