Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reign of Terror (demo) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. The issue of merging can be discussed if and when the 2 suggested merge targets are created. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Reign of Terror (demo)
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Demos are assumed non-notable per WP:MUSIC. Even if Death's demos at large were influential in terms of the death metal subgenre, this one isn't. That citation can be in the band's article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Death's three independently released works Reign of Terror, Infernal Death and especially Mutilation were widely distributed internationally as part of the heavy metal tape trading whirlwind of the early/mid-80s. Not only written about in the metal press of that period, it has been referenced in published works on the metal genre. It was also included on the Zero Tolerance album, and is being reissued yet again in the upcoming year by Relapse Records. It would be a shame to obliterate the article and I would hope at the least to Userfy to give more time for the addition of references from the hard copies of period metal mags. Best, A Sniper (talk)
 * Extremely weak keep—while WP:NALBUMS is very clear that unreleased demos are generally non-notable, the page does seem to list a couple of moderately reliable sources. I think we can give this one a little more time. ╟─ Treasury Tag ►  Not-content  ─╢ 11:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Alternate proposal Merge any information into List of Death demos, since the sources only establish the notability of the demos at large, not any particular one. Barring that, simply merge into the artist's article. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Additional Suggestion - The last suggestion by Justin is a good one and I'd like to add another possibility. ASniper and others are doing a lot of work on the historical impact of Death's recordings, only to have many of the articles endangered by deletionists. (Who, I might add, have valid arguments but they are not the ONLY arguments.) Note that there is not currently a full Death discography of the type that has been created for many other acts. Currently there is just a list embedded in the band's article. A discography article would be a good place for extra historical information for each release when the separate articles don't survive. See WikiProject Discographies for pointers. I have personally created a few discography articles and it's a fair amount of work, but for Death I think there is enough community interest. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 18:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - Personally, I think a discography article for the band would be a welcome addition (it's pretty standard fare for any notable band). The absence of one is a gap in our coverage. Demos with some sourcing (but too little for a stand alone) would fit there. A List of Death Demos is a bit more problematic from my standpoint. While the sources being added here and elsewhere mention specific demos, they don't seem to indicate that Death's demos are, in and of themselves, notable. Death's discography is clearly notable. - SummerPhD (talk) 20:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Do not merge or start a list of Death demo's. That type of list would be trivial at best. A lot of Death demo's exist, but only a few are deemed notable. This one, as was proven before, should be one of them. Enough sources exist, as pointed above, to warrant the existence of this article. Undead Warrior (talk) 02:24, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
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