Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Relations between the LGBT community and Ethnic Minorities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 17:00, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Relations between the LGBT community and Ethnic Minorities
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Classic WP:SYNTH Article thus a Violation of WP:NOR, most of it is covered in better detail and with out the broad lumping elsewhere in Wikipedia. The article scope itself is entirely US=centric better to cover these vaious groups attepctance of LGBT in the various article. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 14:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Delete This article was originally created as "Racism in the LGBT community" and was considered offensive to some LGBT people. I proposed the second deletion which resulted in rename to "Relations between the LGBT community and People of Color" which later became "Relations between the LGBT community and Ethnic Minorities". This allowed it to discuss not only Racism in the LGBT community but Heterosexism and Transphobia in ethnic minority communities. However it still remained biased and essentially Heterosexist and Transphobic as no information was added about Heterosexism and Transphobia in the ethnic minorities. As a matter a fact that section was deleted along with all sections so they had an excuse not to discuss Heterosexism and Transphobia within Ethnic minorities therefore blaming the LGBT community for the bad relations between them and the minority ethnic communities. Get rid of it already. Interminority discrimination is still discrimination.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete unless the content of this article could be woven into this article LGBT that already contains a criticism section it should be removed.--Warrior777 15:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warrior777 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete per WP:SYN. -- JN 466  15:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Mixed - This could be a good article, indeed, a very good article but it is fraught with peril, POV and poor sources. Unless a veteran was willing to promise to devote considerable time and research to this I say play it safe and delete it. - Haymaker (talk) 15:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Certainly an important topic. Right now the article is mainly a collection of minor controversies and/or police cases. I don't see how an article on the topic could avoid being original research. Borock (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy close. Did anyone even look at the talk page? This is the third nomination. Consensus last month on this article was keep. Rather then debate here, why not discuss the article on the talk page and help fix the problems? At least three editors have been working on the article in the last month. Unarchiving those threads may help (the bot settings are way too aggressive for such a small article). You can label, fix, remove, or discuss the WP:SYNTH. The problem with US-centrism has been noted there. I argued think the article should be renamed "in the United States" – easy fix. AfD is not for cleanup. --Pnm (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I reviewed those two noms used WP:IDONTLIKE or WP:OFFENSIVE arguments. I use WP:SYNTH, I looked for sources prior to nomination and could not find any that addressed the topic directly. If I thought clean up would help or were possible i would have tagged. I just cant find any thing to write the article with that would not violate WP:NOR. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 17:36, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually during the first AfD six editors cited WP:SYNTH. There are ample sources which address the topic directly. They cover aspects like racism and heterosexism/sexualism, again, people of color's experiences with white LGBT groups, and race during the Prop 8 campaign. Plenty of those sources can be used without "combining material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated." --Pnm (talk) 04:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve substantially. It's synth-y as it stands, but there have absolutely been articles and books on this very same topic, which should be included. (How hard was it to find those? Not hard at all.) However, in the interest of not totally erasing queer people of color, I recommend that the article also include issues faced by those groups specifically, rather than just the "queers hate blacks and blacks hate queers" thing that the article has going on right now. And, minor point, "ethnic" should have a lowercase e. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 18:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you like to rewrite the article using these academic sources? Because if not, there is no point keeping this article if it is going to sit there for five years as a piece of WP:SYN. We might as well wait for someone to recreate it who has the time and inclination to sit down with a stack of books. -- JN 466  23:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You miss my point, I can find all sort of books and We have articles that are covered appropriately like LGBT and multiculturalism and LGBT topics and Afro-Americans in the Americas,Lesbian and gay topics and Judaism but what we got here is all kinds of WP:SYNTH. Lumping all these groups various views into some superficial lump as ethnic monitors is silly The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Then why don't you unlump them instead of trying to delete the article? Delete is not a fix all.  D u s t i *poke* 19:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SYNTH. The article lists some unrelated incidents which are stitched together as a general phenomenon. Neptune 123 (talk) 05:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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