Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Religion in The Simpsons


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  k eep. - Mailer Diablo 02:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Religion in The Simpsons

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I have reason to believe that such an article does not belong on Wikipedia. First of all, it is indiscriminatory, and treats a fictional topic as though it were something that exists in the real world. This article would be salvageable, but no one publishes articles on this topic. MessedRocker (talk) 08:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Related AFDs (separately nominated to prevent trainwreck):
 * Articles for deletion/Education in The Simpsons
 * Articles for deletion/Media in The Simpsons
 * Articles for deletion/Politics in The Simpsons (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Traveling in The Simpsons
 * Articles for deletion/List of products in The Simpsons
 * Articles for deletion/List of fictional places on The Simpsons
 * Keep. First of all, it is not indiscriminatory, but selective (it shouldn't list one-time gags, only major places). Second, it clearly indicates it is a fictional topic, not a real world one. Third, it is salvageable, and fourth, there are several books about precisely this topic. I don't think it's wise to start wiping all content Wikipedia has on fiction. Having rebutted all "reasons" given for deletion, I think this does belong, although of course it could stand some pruning and cleanup.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  10:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Since when is nominating seven articles for deletion a pogrom on fiction? I could've done a lot more. MessedRocker (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as described above, The Simpsons has an iconic status in Wikipedia, and, for that matter, in American culture. Comment being copied and pasted as applicable.  Regarding religion, for many years, The Simpsons, ironically, was the only family that was depicted as attending church.  Mandsford 12:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It has an iconic status in Wikipedia? I didn't know that was an inclusion standard. I thought things had to be notable, you know, in the real world. MessedRocker (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, you just said that. I'm the only one allowed to cut and paste here.  Mandsford 22:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * keep I trained as a religious studies teacher, and the simpsons would be used to illustrate points to children in schools, that's how much religious content there is in it, particularly about comparative religion.Merkinsmum 13:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep at least the religious studies one. At the very least you can say it is used in schools    and universities   it's not just for christianity but because it has the characters of other religions in it and insight into their everyday practice of their religion, such as the hindu character    I do think religion and the simpsons will have a lot more sources than media/travelling and the Simpsons, but then I haven't taught them.:) politics might have just as many references.  These AfDs should be separated out as not all these articles will have as many sources, serious coverage etc.  I mean, is religion/politics going to have only the amount of sources as 'travelling in the simpsons'?:)Merkinsmum 13:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooh just spotted you have kept them separated out, that's good. But seriously, d'oh! as Radiant! says, there are at least 2 books written about it.Merkinsmum 13:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have read out of universe articles on how religion is used in The Simpsons. It shouldnt be too difficult to back up a lot of the article with sources. ●BillPP (talk 13:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Perhaps you noticed the link at the bottom to "The Gospel According To The Simpsons" ? Maybe you could read that book so you'd know of what you speak? Article could be improved, but try some cleanup.  FrozenPurpleCube 15:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. This, in particular, is a very major thematic element on The Simpsons. The nominator's concerns seem to boil down to "there's too much Simpsons stuff on Wikipedia" -- in other words, WP:IDONTLIKEIT. As Radiant! and others have pointed out so well:
 * These articles are not inherently indiscriminate. As editors, we can decide what's in and what's out.
 * They make a clear distinction between fact and fiction. Note that the phrase "[in/on] The Simpsons" is in the title for all of them. Is it likely that someone who's never heard of The Simpsons before would think this stuff was real?
 * They are not difficult to source/verify. Even if there were no books or articles on the subject, much of the content can be verified by simply watching the episodes in question.
 * szyslak 16:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought I made myself clear that this is a WP:FICTION violation. Not to mention it is absolutely unreferenced. I like it very much, but that doesn't mean it belongs. Ah, but it apparently does. Improve the articles with these books. If AFDs are good for one thing, it's helping to give attention to articles by threatening the articles. MessedRocker (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is not an indiscriminate list. Perhaps it could be cleaned up a bit, but definitely keep. Copy and pasted comment from above as applicable.  P.S. - why is this article listed twice?  Useight 16:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Actually, people do publish on religion & philosophy regarding the Simpsons.  --mordicai. 17:28, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Kickass. MessedRocker (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That was uncalled for. JoeyLovesSports 01:26, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See also SIMPSONS AND PHILOSOPHY : THE D'OH! OF HOMER by Irwin, for instance. --mordicai. 20:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, for such a successful series, this is a notable topic. Religion is one of the major themes of the show.  --musicpvm 06:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, religion is an important subject in the Simpsons. Also, it is a good place for The Western Branch of American Reform Presbylutheranism to be, since it used to have its own article, but was moved here. Rhino131 16:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, Please, do not delete this article has it seem this is a part of deleting campaign of the simpsons. With out this article and others, many people will not understand about information and background about these subjects. For more information, Click Here. JoeyLovesSports 01:26, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.