Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Remote Administrator


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon joe 21:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Remote Administrator

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Delete Yet another developer of remote administration software (Special:Contributions/Famatech) creating an entry on Wikipedia to advertise their software. AlistairMcMillan 14:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Where did you find advertisement-like text in the article? I can't see it. Radmin was created in 1999 just like VNC so I think it deserved to have an article on wikipedia. Or maybe you think we should delete article about VNC also? --Famatech 16:50, 27 March 2007 (GMT+3)


 * Strong Keep! I created the article stub.  I don't work for Famatech, and I have no vested interest in it.  This piece of software is notable for comparing favorably to other remote access solutions in terms of features, and having won a large number of awards.  I don't know what their user count is, but it's way more than 873K on Download.com, because (1) it only counts the new version that's been out for 6 weeks, while   the product has been out since 1999, and (2) many users would obtain the client elsewhere, especially in large corporate environments.  Also note that their Web-site is 2nd most popular in Alexa.com's Remote Access category.  If this article gets deleted, it will be further evidence of Wikipedia bias for not letting proprietary software compete on its merits.  -AlexLibman 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If over 800,000 people have download this software in six week it should be no difficulty to point us to a few legitimate third-party reviews of the product then. Things that we can actually use to determine notability.  AlistairMcMillan 19:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, shoot, man, if it's that notable, then stick the information in the article! Note, these must be verifiable and from reliable sources. --Dennisthe2 22:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that almost all of the "awards" are either from professional rating services or software archives. Whether the download counts or archive ratings can be gamed or not would have to be established. AlistairMcMillan 23:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, unless AlexLibman can meet the requirements as above. --Dennisthe2 22:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's not my holy war. Let someone else do it.  I've wasted enough time on this already.  --AlexLibman 23:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. --Dennisthe2 02:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Guys, I've already violated Wikipedia policy on conflict of interest twice, but I've edited the article again. Now it's absolutely clean and unprejudiced. Why to deprive people of their right to find some info about Radmin? --Eugene Lisovskiy 14:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep it Guys, I work for Famatech. My name is Eugene Lisovskiy and I didn't create this article from the beginning (AlexLibman did as already mentioned above). All I want is to improve this article according to wikipedia guidelines. As you can see I don't hide from publicity (as I have user account named Famatech) and I'm not intended to make an advertisement from this article. Just give me some time because it's a hard work to make a good article. By now there are no advertisement texts in this article. PS: I'm a Radmin user also and I have a higher technical education so I do know how to make a good article. Also I can ask for assistance the creator of Radmin - Dmitry Znosko: he knows Radmin better than any other man. --Famatech 16:21, 27 March 2007 (GMT+3)
 * Please read our policy on conflict of interest. AlistairMcMillan 13:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. As I already mentioned Famatech didn't create this article, thus we are not interested in any kind of advertising. I do believe that a short summary information about Radmin should be presented and no matter who edit this article. It's my opinion. --Eugene Lisovskiy 13:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. The awards are a step in the right direction, but what's ideally needed is something like an article about the software in a professionally edited journal that describes the software.  If there have been no such articles it's a lot harder to establish notability.  The awards don't do it for me; I've been involved in too much product and service marketing to believe those kinds of things really establish notability.  My own company has a stack of awards and local newspaper coverage, and we're not notable.  Mike Christie (talk) 20:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep! Radmin is great and has huge notability - there is nobody in IT that knows what VNC is and has not heard of or used Radmin. The article has NPOV and imo, this debate has become lost. If the article has been suitably edited then the deletion tag should be removed. - The debate should be on what edits are required to keep the article not whether its pure notability is enough to have an article per se. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.22.93.33 (talk • contribs) 18:37, March 31, 2007 (UTC)  — 82.22.93.33 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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