Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renate Ackerman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. No evidence of sources which would evidence notabilty under the general notability guideline. j⚛e deckertalk 17:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Renate Ackerman

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Doesn't seem to meet the WP:GNG, only sources are the Amazon page for the book (doesn't count) and a horribly written, mostly primary source press release. Specs112  t   c  14:14, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. Mrs/Miss Ackerman is a distinguished author who is well known in Southern Africa because of her work. True, the sources are somewhat limited but this is because the page is being worked on, and that takes time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: Hanji31 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Tonywalton Talk 23:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * — Note to closing admin: Hanji31 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. Tonywalton Talk 23:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. The Amazon page for the book doesn't confirm that this is a "best-seller" -- judging by the sales rank of the e-book version, apparently quite the opposite -- and reveals that it is self-published through CreateSpace.  Self-publishing, in Wikipedia terms, doesn't confer notability independently, and I could find nothing in the way of references to this book by any arm's-length third-party expert sources.  I was surprised, because the subject matter seems contentious, to say the least, but there you have it.  Ubelowme (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete. The above user does make some valid points but I again must disagree. It is because the book is so contentious that sources are not easy to find - but as I say, in Conservative circles (and while I disagree with her views) she is very well known but ignored by the media because of those views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanji31 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: If there is no attention from the media, whatever the reason, the subject doesn't meet the notability criteria. Google search for her name doesn't come up with significant coverage in reliable sources, mainly blogs and online shops and the like.  ...  disco spinster   talk  17:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per discospinster. Google simply can't save this one. -- WikHead (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:16, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

note to Admin Will you please stop allowing these bloody idiots with their idiotic opinions to have their say. It's people like these who get in the way of progess and have nothing positive to say.
 * Delete. Other than multiple attempts to spam forums and other websites with adverts for the book, there's absolutely nothing out there that shows up with a search. This author is completely non-notable and being on any best seller list is not something that gives notability. It makes it more likely to get coverage, but if the NYT bestseller list doesn't give notability than a genre-specific bestseller list on Amazon surely won't. As far as claims of the author being "too controversial" for the media, that's pretty much just a theory and not really a valid one when you consider that the media loves to highlight controversial people. They'll do anything for ratings. It's less likely that she's too controversial and more likely that she's just not notable enough to gain their attention.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable author, not meeting WP:AUTHOR. See Articles for deletion/Andi Ali for a similar author (who created Dead Paki Walking), Andi Ali having been also created by the creator of this article. User:Tokyogirl79's comments on that AfD regarding "bestsellers" are germane to this AfD. Tonywalton Talk 23:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note to admin: will you please block Hanji31 for making personal attacks? Specs112   t   c  12:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You have issued a warning - I think that is all that is needed for now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
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