Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renato Laranja


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Rhasaan Orange. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:55, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Renato Laranja

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Non-notable fictional BJJ character. The page makes two cited claims: "Renato is credited (among other things) for achieving his black belt at 12 years of age and being a 27-time Mundial champion", and that he is "best known for his Days of our Lives fame". I don't see how either makes him notable. Mythpage88 (talk) 19:42, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * On top of that, three of the four (and perhaps the fourth as well) cited sources are unremarkable bloggers talking about MMA and BJJ. I'm all for a merge with Rhasaan Orange, but this is just ridiculous. Mythpage88 (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 23:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment at a minimum, the title should redirect to Rhasaan Orange. The article on Orange mentions that Laranja is a character he portrays, the portrayal is sourced, and redirects are cheap. I have no comment on whether the article content should be deleted (or merged) at this time, but if the AfD concludes with deleting, then it should be turned back into a redirect.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 19:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - Honestly, I've never watched a Renato vid myself and stick to doing non-fictional BJJ, but I personally know that this character is well-known enough in the grappling community to warrant at least a stubby article. A quick G search just scratches the surface of that notoriety. We have a whole category for fictional Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioners after all. Though, I will say, if it serves Mr. Orange's ends to not have the Laranja article, to keep a greater measure of anonymity for playing the character, then I would support it just being a redirect, but only if. Buddy23Lee (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Sure there is a whole category but looking deeper of the four two are properly redirected leaving just Renato and one other. I support a merge with redirect to Rhasaan Orange.  That would give a little bit more substance to the Rhasaan Orange article which I think is also borderline.Peter Rehse (talk) 04:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Whatever the outcome, I just find it amusing that the Renato article has generated almost twice as much traffic as Rhasaan's own article this month, and garnered substantially more traffic last month as well. http://stats.grok.se/ Apparently readers care preponderantly more about Renato then the actor playing him (?) Buddy23Lee (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I will repost this from the talk page, sorry if this is the wrong place, I am new to wiki: This should be deleted, it is an insult to professor Renato. I attended to one of his seminars and his jiu-jitsu is amazing. Your first external link in the article is a forum? a forum? seriously? A forum link with youtube videos that show some hollywood actor is no proof. Rather than having this wrong article we should just delete it. There are lots of credible mma news sites that covered Mr. Laranja and even interviewed him. This article is wrong and it doesn't meet Wikipedia guidelines so delete it. I know that you are an Aikido practitioner, but only because you train in a different martial art, you shouldn't badmouth and spread lies about BJJ practitioners. I don't want to fight about this at all, I can see your bad intentions so just delete it.Inverted omoplata (talk) 8:13 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4) — Inverted omoplata (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  Nobody Ent 10:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support merge/redirect The suggestion above to merge this article with the article on Orange seems to be a good idea. Both are very small. I'd support turning this article into a redirect, and then merging the content into a single article.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 00:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete Bad sources, non-notable and poor writing. Not worth having on Wikipedia. Author should consider rewriting from scratch and re-submitting. Leontopodium alpinum (talk) 12:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Rhasaan Orange. Both articles are short enough, and well-connected enough, that it doesn't make much sense to keep them separate. I'm not sure if 'Renato Laranja' is really notable by our standards, but a mention in the Rhasaan Orange would probably be acceptable. Robofish (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - Well, first I'd like to offer my apologies for everyone here who believes the article content to be patently terrible. I was the individual who added the content to what was originally the simple redirect you'd all like it to return to. This misadventure began when I came to the apparently erroneous conclusion that Renato was roughly as notable as any of the hundreds, if not thousands of Wikipedia's other fictional martial artists existing predominately in print, movies, video games and similar media, garnering them all an individual article exclusively for the character. At any rate, consensus has obviously spoken. I'd just suggesting keeping a good eye on the Orange article after the Renato merge as I would anticipate frequent creative edits from Renato fans. Buddy23Lee (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I wouldn't call it patently terrible and the notability of all those other fictional martial artists (and a lot of non-fictional ones) is also in question.  It was a fair thing to do but the original Redirect was probably the best option.Peter Rehse (talk) 04:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.