Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Aztlán


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 07:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Republic of Aztlán

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Contested PROD, prod tag was removed by creator of the article without explanation. From the original prod - Soapboxing, neologism, OR, no sources, created as POV-fork from Aztlán,no notability as per neologism, non-encyclopedic in style and content. Delete. Dawn Bard (talk) 19:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This article should be deleted because it is: a POV-fork from Aztlán where the articles creator was told that this material was not suited for inclusion because it contained very emphatically pronounced POV (read: soapboxing), was un-sourced, described what is a probable neologism and was completely out of style for a neutral and fact centered encyclopedia.·Maunus· ƛ · 19:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: The writer of the article wrote the following on the articles talk page:  "This is a page dedicated to the modern nation many Aztlanistas are attempting to create. My knowledge of this subject comes from multiple sources, official and unofficial, from both academics and laypeople."  Dawn Bard (talk) 19:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

This is a page dedicated to the modern nation many Aztlanistas are attempting to create, and many Anglo Americans are trying to prevent. This is a subject of much debate, and thus deserves a description. It is not a neologism, it is regarded as a proper term by many. Just because some editors are unaware of current political movements does not mean that those movements do not exist in strength.

My knowledge of this subject comes from multiple sources, official and unofficial, from both academics and laypeople.

None of this is my opinion, thus it is not soapboxing, rather it is simply the result of my research.

Check out this story which is on many sites and written by the associated press. It speaks of a UNM professor who predicts that this nation will come to pass. This is just one source. There are so many others. Perhaps if I list them all, this article would be acceptable.

This is a real issue, a real subject that wikipedia should address. This article is neutral and fact-centered. This article should not be deleted. Thepiner (talk) 19:28, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete No third party sources, COI issues too as the article creator seems to be involved with the situation and is trying to use Wikipedia to advertise themselves.  TJ   Spyke   21:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Can people wait until I get some more sources? What do you mean by "article creator seems to be involved with the situation?"

What is that supposed to mean? How am I involved? It is a subject of interest and I have undertaken research, but I am in no way involved in the issue of the Republic of Aztlan, other than trying to bring it to attention to the general public.

"and is trying to use Wikipedia to advertise themselves"

Okay, now I know you are just trying to be malicious. NO WHERE do I state my name or any institution I am affiliated with. NO WHERE do I advertise my research or make reference to myself or my opinions in relation to this subject. NO WHERE is there even a hint of my own opinions on the matter. I'm just stating the facts.

I'm starting to think the people who want to delete this page just want to delete it because the realities of the above mentioned movent is unknown to them and thus perhaps frightening.

Let me be clear: I want to educate people, but I don't give a shit as to their opinions, which should tell you that I don't care if people share MY opinions.

Let me get some other sources up before you people start chopping off my head for bringing up a controversial topic.

Thank you, Thepiner (talk) 22:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions.  -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  22:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete & Userify until properly sourced, then subjet to deletion review before recreation, per no original research and due to lack of reliable sources. MLauba (talk) 07:44, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - unsourced and not notable. There's a mention here, but that's all I could find. -- Whpq (talk) 17:32, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Do not delete - there are plenty of sources. These (below) were just a few sources from a little google search: clearly a lot of people talk about this issue, so clearly its not a neologism -

http://www.illegalaliens.us/aztlan.htm

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2233

http://aztlan.net/zocalo.htm

http://billstclair.com/ferran/aztlan.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080717195844AAlQ4BX

http://www.politicalgroove.com/social-issues/12989-immigration-nation-aztlan.html

There is no reason for this page to be deleted. Cleaned up a little maybe, but not deleted. 68.35.111.190 (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We are looking for coverage in reliable sources with an emphasis on reliable. -- Whpq (talk) 19:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
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