Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Crimea (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep WP:SNOW close, There is no consensus for the deletion of this article. (non-admin closure)  HurricaneEdgar    13:47, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Republic of Crimea
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Kherson Oblast (Russia) was deleted as per Articles for deletion/Kherson Oblast (Russia). This article is to Autonomous Republic of Crimea what Kherson Oblast (Russia) is to Kherson Oblast so it would make sense to have another discussion on the topic in the current reality. --Base (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Geography. Base (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Russia and Ukraine.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * In the discussion linked one of the arguments mentioned was WP:OVERLAP, linked with regards to the fact that Russian occupation of Kherson Oblast exists, so I will also add that there is a separate Russian occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol. --Base (talk) 20:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Russian occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol was created last week, this one was created 8 years ago. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And by an LTA, good point, I haven't checked the history for that one. Well, depending on the results of this RfA it might make sense to also nominate that article I guess. --Base (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Bad idea. We have Russian occupation of Donetsk Oblast alongside Donetsk People's Republic. Panam2014 (talk) 00:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think Crimea (and Sevastopol) cases are closer to Kherson and Zaporizhzhia cases, than to those of Donetsk and Luhansk. In Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts those "republics" did, at least on paper, "exist" for 8 years, and even were recognised by some UN members for a brief period of time this year, even though it was always a de facto Russian occupation — it provides more ground to describe those instances separately, than in case of the rest of the regions which "existed" as separate "states" only for a negligible while. --Base (talk) 02:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: The Kherson and other articles were deleted for a variety of reasons, including already being duplicated by existing articles, the perceived ephemeralism of the states (i.e. WP:TOOSOON), lack of clarity at the time of how the states were administered (also TOOSOON), etc. This state has been (yes illegally, but that is regardless) a core part of the Russian Federation for 8 years, with its own government and laws clearly established; at this point, it is a fully functioning sub-national entity, not a temporary military occupation (even if Ukraine re-takes it). It is clearly not a duplicate of Autonomous Republic of Crimea, and the article is worded quite neutrally and very explicitly says this is widely considered illegal. Curbon7 (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: the primary rationale of WP:OVERLAP used to delete Kherson and the alike oblast articles is not applicable here, with good reasons given by User:Curbon7. The proper recourse for Russian occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol (created only earlier this month) would be merging into this history section of this article, if it was felt they cover too much of the same ground. I note for the clarity of discussion both this article and Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China have been nominated for deletion after they were used as counterpoints to the argument of WP:OVERLAP in the Kherson oblast AfD. --Inops (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep If there's overlap with a week old article then the week old article is the issue. CMD (talk) 00:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep nobody has made an argument to delete this and the fact another article was deleted is not a valid reason. Unlike the Kherson case Russia controls the whole of Crimea and has for the last 8 years, so there are no issues with WP:CRYSTALBALL. Even if Crimea is eventually retaken by Ukraine it would still be legitimate to have this article as a significant part of the history of the place. Russian occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol is a week old and far less developed than this article, so it's not a duplicate - if anything that article should be merged into this one. I could understand if someone wanted to change the title of this article to describe the subject as a Russian occupation, but that's not a reason to delete it.  Hut 8.5  11:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - The week-old "Russian occupation of Aut. Rep. Crimea and Sevastopol" article is nowhere near the level of development as this article. This article also has a rationale for existing on the basis of the existence of the articles "Donetsk People's Republic" and "Luhansk People's Republic". It should be classified in a similar way to those two entities. Note: I myself have recently changed the Crimea Republic info-box to be more in line with the DPR and the LPR. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 08:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongly keep - Republic of Crimea is different from Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Crimea is currently under the Republic of Crimea which is already part of the federal subject despite internationally unrecognize, while Autonomous Republic of Crimea government still exist but not controlled. - Jjpachano (talk)
 * Note: The difference between Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Republic of Crimea it's about administration in Crimea, If we gonna talk about Republic of Crimea is only about Russia (de facto), and if we gonna talk about Autonomous Republic of Crimea is only about Ukraine (de jure). Jjpachano (talk)


 * Keep. The Ukrainian Crimea and the Russian Crimea may refer to the same piece of land, but they are clearly different subjects. We need both due to WP:NPOV. Dr.KBAHT (talk) 20:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Can we close this now? Literally everyone other than the one who opened it has said keep; the consensus is that this didn't need to be opened. 166.196.75.8 (talk) 03:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Please close this per WP:SNOWBALL. The consensus is overwhelmingly clear. Des Vallee (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep no valid rationale provided for deletion. Others have already explained why the Kherson situation is much different and even if it wasn't, it doesn't matter. Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an Ukrainian administrative subdivision and this is a Russian one, they are de jure completely separate entities so it categorically cannot be a POVFORK. Considering this is the 3rd nomination it's WP:DEADHORSE at this point.  Satellizer el Bridget (Talk)  06:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.