Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Poland (1944–1952)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Polish People's Republic. Nakon 00:19, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Republic of Poland (1944–1952)

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The Republic of Poland is one of the biggest countries in Europe, member state of the European Union, with hundreds of articles about its history in English Wikipedia. However, this stub was written without a single reference to go by. Why? Because the subject of this article never existed; so, the sources couldn't be found, not even one. Poeticbent talk 04:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. – Fails WP:Verifiability Poeticbent talk 04:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * General comment. User:Elevatorrailfan, the creator of this entry, who does not have any particular interest in the history of Poland during World War II, but likes to edit Donetsk, Donbass, Lugansk, and Novorossiya, has been making highly controversial edits to the Polish People's Republic article since at least October 2014, while claiming falsely that Poland ended in 1939, and was replaced by Nazi Germany ... Please note, the Polish Underground State and the Polish Government in exile existed throughout the war. Elevatorrailfan's problem is the general lack of sensitivity to Poland's complex history. This new article, stitched from WP:COPYWITHIN is a perfect example of that. Poeticbent talk 22:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Quote from Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Republic of Poland 1947.svg. The map [uploaded by User:Elevatorrailfan and used in here] is falsified to fit a revisionist and anti-Polish POV. It fails to show the postwar border shifts... with outright offensive description of its actual content: i.e. the "Polish Zone of occupation" of Nazi Germany. Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion (quote from General reasons #1): "page containing nonsense or no valid content." Poeticbent talk 20:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you see this as intentional? A lot of this editor's edits do not make sense, and I am wondering if there is a language barrier or something. The article is nonsense, other than the title. If it is done intentionally, this becomes more than a question of this article. MicroPaLeo (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Poeticbent <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk  05:30, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Redurect to People's Republic of Poland. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:39, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Polish People's Republic to avoid the double redirect immediately above. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 16:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I have recently added more information to the article along with references. Elevatorrailfan (talk) 03:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Unacceptable mass copy-paste from other articles in Wikipedia without attribution, in order to save a wp:dead horse. <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:darkblue;">Poeticbent</b> <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk 04:56, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and write proper article This particular article has problems, but the concept, as in the time frame, and the title, are correct, although the article on Polish Wikipedia uses 1945. I think it should be written and well, and the Polish Wikipedia article could be a starting point for sources, I have not looked but do not find it the least credible that there are no sources for Poland from 1945 to 1952 including the name of the country and historic events describing its government and relationship to the USSR at this time. Rzeczpospolita Polska MicroPaLeo (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Polish People's Republic - no good reason for separate article.--Staberinde (talk) 17:27, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A possible good reason is the name you suggest wasn't the name until 1952. MicroPaLeo (talk) 00:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Simple change of official name definitely isn't a good reason for separate standalone article.--Staberinde (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * lol MicroPaLeo (talk) 12:18, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and write proper article The Polish People's Republic was not established until 1952. I think the article should be re written. Elevatorrailfan (talk) 18:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * But you seem to be the one who wrote the improper article. You article does not make much understandable sense and does not explain the political status of Poland from 1944 to 1952, nor does it contextualize global politics of 1945 and Soviet politics of 1952 on its own or within the international political climate as these relate to Poland during the years. It is just a lot of text juxtaposed on Poland without placing the article title in the context of the text. I see that an article is necesary, but I do not see how the one you wrote qualifies in any way under the title. Can you help by writing a coherent stub? MicroPaLeo (talk) 12:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

The Polish People's Republic was a Communist State that was established in 1952, the Republic of Poland the existed from 1944-1952 was a multi-party system. It would be kind of confusing to have the Republic of Poland (1944-1952) redirect to the Polish People's Republic. Elevatorrailfan (talk) 23:33, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, and make a stub until someone writes the article. As others points out, redirecting to Polish People's Republic doesn't work, as it's not the same. From what I've understood the PPR started when Poland got a new (communist) constitution, while this article deals with the post-war government that was influenced by the USSR, but not controlled by it. As such it's a notable subject and shouldn't be deleted. The current state of the article is useless, so trim it down to a stub instead. Bjelleklang -  talk 20:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is wrong. Please note, the first communist constitution was pronounced in 1947 (!), not it 1952. There was a "name change" in 1952 by the totalitarian government which pronounced it on Soviet orders. Everything else remained the same. <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:darkblue;">Poeticbent</b> <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk 20:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The Poles consider the name significant enough to write an article about it on Polish Wikipedia, so do many other authors in English. Is there some personal issue underlying this deletion discussion? MicroPaLeo (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? There's NO such article in Polish Wikipedia for 1944–1952! There's a one-paragraph section in the article pl:Rzeczpospolita Polska which does NOT mention any of these dates: 1944 (1947) or 1952. It speaks only about the Soviet-formed Polski Komitet Wyzwolenia Narodowego and Stalin's attempts at destroying the Polish Underground State. <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:darkblue;">Poeticbent</b> <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk 21:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand.It is an important part of Polish history which often has dedicated chapters in Polish history books.The article needs expansion regarding such topics as rapid improvement of Polish industry, transport infrastructure, health care, education and electrification.Politically the centralization of power in hands of Polish communist party and its allied parties should be covered, while foreign relations should cover attempts by elements of Western intelligence organizations(not necessarily supported fully by their country) and left over sanacja regime forces to re-ignite war in the region, combined with refusal to accept Polish borders.This can be easily done using modern Polish sources.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Apples and oranges. You idea is already covered in the History of Poland (1945–89) article sections and subsections titled: "Consolidation of communist power", "... first elections of 1947", "Polish United Workers' Party and its rule", "Stalinist era..." and the "Nationalization and centrally planned economy". This entry (per WP:TITLE) is about a State that existed for eight years, called the Republic of Poland (1944–1952), beginning in the arbitrarily selected year of 1944 and presumably ending with the Stalinist constitution of 1952. – Are you suggesting a possible title change in here, or the split from the parent article? <b style="font-family:Papyrus; color:darkblue;">Poeticbent</b> <span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#FFFFFF;font-weight:bold;background:#FF88AF;border:1px solid #DF2929;padding:0.0em 0.2em;">talk  19:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect to Polish People's Republic – Superficial name changes do not necessitate the existence of a separate article. The existing article can cover this subject matter, as it does. The regime was the same, even if the name was different. This article is based in WP:OR. RGloucester  — ☎ 00:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, not different from Polish People's Republic except for the name change.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:46, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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