Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Res Ipsa (Philadelphia restaurant)


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Res Ipsa (Philadelphia restaurant)

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Fails WP:NCORP. All coverage is in the form of routine restaurant reviews covered by mostly local magazines (WP:PRODUCTREV), as well as a trivial NYT mention and a couple more local sources saying that the business closed last year.  Kncny11  (shoot) 15:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep The restaurant received attention from Philadelphia's paper of record, or nearest such publication, the Philadelphia Inquirer — not a "local magazine" by any stretch, even if Philadelphia Magazine roughly fits that description. The restaurant also received attention from Bon Appétit, the nation's preeminent food and restaurant publication. Additionally, several sources exist that have not been included in the article, such as an interview with the head chef, published by the James Beard Foundation, a review from The Infatuation, another mention from Bon Appétit, a review in Condé Nast Traveler, and a feature about the restaurant's construction on Sprudge. More exist. — Mainly 15:46, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * To address the point about the Inquirer, I've lived in Philly for half my life. I was born there, moved away, came back. I've also worked as a journalist in the area through various internship opportunities. The Inquirer is a local magazine in that its coverage is confined to the Philadelphia area, so it is unsurprising that they would be covering a restaurant in Philadelphia. Furthermore, the author, Craig LaBan, is the Inquirer 's restaurant critic, and his review was routine.  Kncny11  (shoot) 16:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure how your Philly bona fides matter here. The Inquirer isn't a magazine. If you dismiss all local reviews as "unsurprising" products of proximity or inevitable coverage how does any "local" establishment gain notability? Does a New York City or LA restaurant only gain notability when someone from the Chicago Tribune shows up? I don't know why one would chauvinistically dismiss an important publication because it's relatively provincial when compared to, say, The New York Times or Wall Street Journal. — Mainly 16:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am going to disengage after I make this statement, because it is unlikely that either of us will change each other's minds. As I mentioned earlier, I used to work as a journalist in Philadelphia, for a reputable music publication. While in that position, I was asked to review new music by artists with ties to the city, which ranged from demos recorded in a teenager's bedroom to a new single by an established band that had just concluded a worldwide tour. Similarly, a Philadelphia food critic will be asked, as part of their job, to do a routine review of a new restaurant in the city.
 * I mentioned WP:PRODUCTREV in my initial nomination for deletion. That policy states that brief and routine reviews (including Zagat) do not qualify towards the notability requirement. It also states that the reviews must be published outside of purely local or narrow (highly specialized) interest publications.
 * I am going to step away now. I hope that, at the very least, you can see where I'm coming from.  Kncny11  (shoot) 21:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. — Mainly 03:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I have expanded the article & added sources. — Mainly 00:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nominator cites WP:PRODUCTREV but seems to be operating by a standard far stricter than what that guideline dictates. Several of the reviews and other pieces of coverage are clearly not routine. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 03:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Sounds like a run-of-the-mill restaurant that happened to serve good food. If we have to keep it, rewrite it, because it reads like an advertisement. Yeah, it reads like an advertisement for a closed restaurant, I know. AdoTang (talk) 22:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources are adequate and the fact that the pandemic put it out of business last year means that there's no concern about advert/promotion. We should cover small businesses like this as well as the huge chains to avoid systemic bias.  Andrew🐉(talk) 09:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


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