Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Research Association of Laozi Taoist Culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The consensus is clear but I must say I'm surprised at the result. The article has only one source (both current ext. links in the article are to the same story) which seems barely removed from a press release. Much of the content of that source is not actually about the organization but about different events and background on Taoism generally. All quotes are from affiliated members and founders of the association. If this was a USA association, I would categorize my perception of the source content as soft PR fluff. But that's just me and I'm just the AfD closer. Pigman ☿ 04:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Research Association of Laozi Taoist Culture

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Article about a recently founded association on China. We should wait until it does something notable. Damiens .rf 17:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I just added a second external link. I think the founding of this organization is, on its own terms, notable. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Why would that be, in point of fact? Tens of thousands of organizations are created worldwide every month, and without reliable, third-party, independent sources giving some indication of notability, it's a WP:CRYSTAL violation to assume that this outfit will be.  Fails WP:ORG as well.    RGTraynor  00:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Response Point taken. My view on keeping it: Because the Communist Chinese rarely, if ever, go out of their way to allow the creation of religious organizations. As for "independent" sources -- hey, we're talking China!Ecoleetage (talk) 02:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the first Taoist educational institution founded in PRC since the crackdown after 1949. --Esimal (talk) 13:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Would you mind sourcing that assertion? Heck, the Economist had an article this month  about how the PRC is pushing this "Yellow Emperor" Taoist cult to a surprising degree.    RGTraynor  13:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing surprising, since Chinese central government is pushing the revival of all traditional religions, Taoism, Buddhism and folk religion included. Yellow Emperor worship has little or nothing to do with Taoism; it's a form of folk religion ancestor worship. CRALTC is the first academic institution which will provide studies on Taoism. --Esimal (talk) 14:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Taoists on Wikipedia, who've included the Yellow Emperor article in their "Series on Taoism" main infobox, might demure.   RGTraynor  15:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In the West there's huge misinformation about Taoism. --Esimal (talk) 09:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * In which case I'm sure the folks who edit Taoist articles would be happy for you to help out.   RGTraynor  12:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wafulz (talk) 18:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep -- but some real sources are needed. They should be findable. Other chinese sources must have discussed this at some point also. DGG (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't understand why the source is not regarded as independent. china.org.cn is not published by this organisation. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable, sources available. --Oldak Quill 12:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Obviously verifiable, notable simply for its role in Taoist culture. Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 01:31, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.