Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Research on Twelve Step Effectiveness


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. per WP:SNOW (non-admin) - Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  23:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Research on Twelve Step Effectiveness

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This article a fork from the Alcoholics Anonymous article. There are some issues with how the article is written now (style, MOS, etc), but those can be corrected. If it's going to stay, it should be renamed something like Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous, as was done when the history section of the Alcoholics Anonymous article was forked (History of Alcoholics Anonymous). The articles cited here are almost exclusively limited to discussing the effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous and not all twelve-step programs (e.g. it would not apply to Debtors Anonymous, Overeaters Anonymous, etc). Scarpy (talk) 17:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The nominator gives no valid reason for the article to be deleted. This is not the place to discuss editorial issues such as naming or style, please do that on the talk page. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 17:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Question/Comment if an article needs to be deleted and recreated with a new name, shouldn't it be nominated first? -- Scarpy (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment No, you are essentially proposing a rewrite and a name change and there is no need to use AfD for that discussion. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 22:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment My mistake, if possible, you can close the AfD early if you'd like. -- Scarpy (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep but move to effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous. Seems to be a sound article. However I would like to be confident that this is all the author's own words. I Googled the phrase "largest benefit associated with AA attendance was increased abstinence" and to my amusement it took me to this page on the Haworth Press [no relation to me!] website. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename/redirect Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous. -- Scarpy (talk) 18:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep more than enough referanced material to justify an article.Coffeepusher (talk) 21:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The main benefit is it will free up the AA entry for a description of AA rather than an endless battle between the pro- and anti-AA folks.  Sure, change the name to Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous.Desoto10 (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Change the name to Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous. I am an AA member that lives at 1329 grant street in Denver, CO 80203 and I need help and this article has helped me! Sometimes I edit other wiki entries for pleasure! 67.162.156.149 (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep This is a very important debate in the chemical dependency field--12 Step versus alternative means--and people need to be aware of the debate and where to go to find more information. '''Do not move to Effectiveness of Alcoholics Anonymous because 12 Step programs go far beyond AA. Brian Waterman, MS, CDP (talk) 15:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That's very true, but there are all ready effectiveness sections in the articles: twelve-step program, Crystal Meth Anonymous, Emotions Anonymous, Gamblers Anonymous, and Self-help groups for mental health. Since twelve-step programs vary in practices and the variety of problems they address vary widely, it would be a mistake to apply research done on one set to another. -- Scarpy (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


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