Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Residence Halls at Winona State University


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Winona State University. Black Kite (talk) 00:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Residence Halls at Winona State University

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This list is a WP:LAUNDRYLIST and does not provide adequate information in order to qualify for its own list. One small college out of the thousands that exist does not warrant its own residence hall article. AmericanAir88(talk) 17:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Minnesota-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:44, 23 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. There is no way this should be deleted, because merging to the college article would be obviously superior, but in fact I think "Keep" is better.  There is no need for the nominator to be derogatory about this college, and there is almost always sufficient information about a college or university's buildings to justify a separate list-article about them.  The college is notable.  It is reasonable to split out coverage of the buildings when the article gets long.  Also, deletionist editors seem to forget all the time that list-articles are good for reducing the number of articles in wikipedia, because they allow coverage of buildings in just one article.  It is often a solution for too many separate residence hall articles to combine them into one list-article, which is what we have here already.
 * This college has a couple buildings which are separately listed on the National Register of Historic Places, which are only briefly mentioned in the college article. It would be best probably to cover those buildings and the residence halls in one list-article of the college's buildings.  So I suggest closing this AFD as Keep, with intent/suggestion to move/rename it to be about all buildings at the university.  Then I personally will be happy to expand the coverage there, including with known-to-be-reliable/great sourcing about the National Register ones. --Doncram (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It seems that your vote is more of a merge/move rather than a keep. Just because some buildings are on the NROHP, doesn't mean there should be a list of all residence halls in this university. Like I said above in my rationale, there are thousands of colleges that do not have lists of their own residence halls and can easily supplement that by a link to website or mention in the target article. "Residence Halls at Winona State University" is not a proper redirect title, nor is it notable for a separate list. I suggest that if you want this article to not be deleted, that you consider merging or moving as a rationale. AmericanAir88(talk) 18:14, 24 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I try to make my votes in the standard terms recognized by wp:AFDSTATS and given in AFD instructions. "Move" or "Rename" are not standard outcomes.  I reiterate, there is no way this should be outright deleted, because there is available good alternative of merger or redirect.  And further, this is fine as a start for an overall article about buildings at this university, which is fine to have, and I agree to develop it further in that way.  The correct way to describe that decision is "Keep", perhaps with endorsement of moving/renaming/developing it.
 * Note, as Hog Farm suggests, the list-article can/should cover the library and the performing arts center as well, and perhaps when editing the list-article i may choose to merge them in, or perhaps not. It is not necessary to have an AFD discussion about just a merger; I don't think this AFD was needed in fact.
 * AmericanAir88, in your reply to me and more in your reply to Hog Farm, you seem to suggest that leaving a redirect behind is not possible or not desirable. Au contraire, in my opinion that is fine and good to do.  It allows the edit history of the contributions to be kept, and "redirects are cheap".  You don't have to go around creating a few thousand similar redirects at every other university article; there is no way that leaving a redirect here compels you to do that.  Here there has been an article at this exact title which the original editors might be interested in finding, and there no doubt exist other copies of this article in copycat sites, and it is useful to keep the redirect for those looking for the original article, even if the article is moved to List of Winona State University buildings or similar, like so many others in Category:Lists of university and college buildings in the United States. --Doncram (talk) 22:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The move to a page called List of Winona State University buildings would be fine with me. I like the idea of including all the buildings and not the resident halls only. AmericanAir88(talk) 16:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Selective Merge to Winona State University. This shouldn't be entirely deleted, but as it is, there is no way that an article specifically about residence halls at this university passes GNG.  The sources in the article are all self-published, and all the coverage I can find is either self published or trivial.  If a list of campus buildings is made in the future, I think it'd be best to merge WSU's Performing Arts Center and maybe Krueger Library there too. Hog Farm (talk) 01:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Is a merge needed for this type of article? The redirect this creates is not an encyclopedic term and for equality, it would need the thousands of other colleges to have a redirection with a similar title. You have mentioned that this is not notable, but I respect your rationale. However, I believe this still warrants a deletion discussion. AmericanAir88(<b style="color: darkred">talk</b>) 18:14, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Like i comment above, there is no need for "equality" that way. I argue for "Keep" above, but if the decision was merge to the target suggested by Hog Farm, then leaving a redirect behind is very appropriate.  For one thing, it would allow me or anyone else to go back to the original content and see the contribution history, perhaps after finding additional sources.  In this case I am sure there are enough sources for a totally defensible list-article of buildings, and I absolutely will resurrect the article and develop it into a list-article of buildings at Winona State University, if for some inexplicable reason the closer wanted not to take the explicit "Keep" decision.  With either "Merge" or "Keep" decision we will end up in the same place, with a list-article of buildings having this page's edit history. --Doncram (talk) 22:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge per Hog Farm. I agree the subject does not have independent coverage to meet GNG. But a list of residence halls in the housing section of the university article is appropriate. A very selective merge, leaving out the trivia/OR leaves little more that a list and maybe 1-2 sentences on each hall. Also agree with Doncram that Merge leaves a redirect which preserves edit history. I do not understand AA88's thoughts that redirects must be "encyclopedic". Anyone who has spent anytime at RFD knows the standard is keep if anyone finds it useful. Redirects are only deleted if a wholly implausible search term. But keeping this redirect does not mean thousands more would be needed for "equality", although if someone did so they would probably be kept. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 02:37, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I am willing to change my stance to merge, if the trivial parts are cut out and it is very selective. <b style="color: blue">AmericanAir88</b>(<b style="color: darkred">talk</b>) 17:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to Winona State University. Wm335td (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Winona_State_University. The topic fails WP:NBUILD and the Housing section in the main article needs expansion. A merge of referenced content therefore seems appropriate.<strong style="color:#555555">Pontificalibus 08:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


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