Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Retained blood syndrome


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   snow delete. This is the absolute embodiment of spam; nobody other than the nom has suggested a single reason to save it, or provided a single example of a legitimate article using the term. I have no objections if those claiming it's a plausible search term want to create a redirect to something that's actually neutral, or at least salvageable. &#8209; Iridescent 17:39, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Retained blood syndrome

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Semi-procedural nomination. This was tagged for G11 deletion, which I declined. While there are obvious COI problems, legitimate scientific papers/journals/books describing the subject matter are cited in the article and are easily discoverable after doing a Google Scholar/Books search (e.g., , , , ). This might suggest that the topic is notable enough to have its own article (perhaps after a name change) or be merged with another article.

This page was originally nominated with the following rationale:

"This page was created as part of a medical marketing campaign for ClearFlow and its "PleuraFlow Active Clearance Technology System" invented in part at the Cleveland Clinic; same editors here as the company article, except for the obvious SOCKing creators, that is. It was even edited by the account, User:ClearFlow. This is a particularly nasty abuse of Wikipedia. Please delete it and salt it. Here is where the medical marketing campaign is described, and "raising awareness" of "retained blood syndrome" was a key piece of it. This "article" is exactly what medical marketing looks like, by the way. I mean exactly. Jytdog (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2017 (UTC)"

See also: Articles for deletion/ClearFlow -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:56, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * burn this piece of shit to the ground with fire, and piss on it I am furious and disgusted that we are taking the time to have a deletion discussion about this piece of absolute shit.  People coming here to promote companies or people is bad enough, but creating an article to market a medical condition is putrid.  A perversion of everything Wikipedia stands for.  Sickness and filth.  If some good faith editor wants to create an actual article they can, but it is a further abuse of Wikipedia that we are even spending time debating filth. Jytdog (talk) 05:03, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The nominator did not include the link. Here is the website of the PR company that created the marketing campaign.  Part of the campaign was


 *  to build awareness of Retained Blood Syndrome (RBS) – a newly-coined condition that results from blocked drainage catheters in cardiothoracic surgery patients. "


 * This page in Wikipedia is part of that campaign. It is filth. Industrial waste dumped into Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 05:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I will add that there is not a single MEDRS source in this filth. It 'does need to be completely rewritten and I am not going to devote a second of my volunteer time to further the marketing efforts of these assholes .... these people who dump industrial waste into the public good that is Wikipedia. Jytdog (talk) 05:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I've added the external link to the nomination statement, which I unintentionally overlooked after adding the wikilinks. The reason I declined the G11 and opened this AFD is that while there is likely promotional intent behind the article, the subject matter (blood causing complications after surgeries/trauma) seems to have been documented in scientific literature for decades. I've also nominated the company for deletion, and I've linked to that other AFD above. Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:30, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This page is putrid filth. I am not talking about the intent. I am talking about what it is.  G11 is about the actual filth - this does need to be completely rewritten.
 * Here are the accounts who dumped this filth into WP. Look at their contribs. This is all they did.
 * -- Jytdog (talk) 05:35, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
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 * i am sometimes fierce about this COI stuff. But I am really outraged by this one, as it is putatively about actual medicine, not just about a product.  It is laying the ground to sell the product.  Much more perverted. Jytdog (talk) 05:50, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Jytdog (talk) 05:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


 * delete quickly before Jytdog spontaneously combusts! Man, I haven't seen him this annoyed before... Famous  dog   (c) 10:34, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * delete per nominators rationale--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:07, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * delete. Jytdog is right to be furious. Anybody who cares about our encyclopedia will be disgusted at this naked attempt by marketeers to coin a new name for an effect and insert it into Wikipedia in support of their promotion of a product. None of the medical sources even mention any of the supposed names for this "medical condition". --RexxS (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Surgery. As the nominator states, this term is used in medical literature and people will plausibly search for it. --Pontificalibus (talk) 13:09, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * The main place you'll find the term in the medical literature is 26575376, whose authors include the following disclosures: "Edward M. Boyle, Jr., MD, is a founder, director and share-holder of ClearFlow, Inc. ... A. Marc Gillinov, MD, is an inventor and consultant with stock options and a royalty from ClearFlow, Inc. ... William E. Cohn, MD is ... a shareholder in ClearFlow,Inc. ... S. Jill Ley, RN, has received speaker honoraria from ClearFlow, Inc. ... The Cleveland Clinic has equity in ClearFlow, Inc., and has received royalties." Beyond a marketing campaign by ClearFlow, there is very little in the medical literature using the article's title for this syndrome. I disagree that anybody would plausibly be searching for the term. --RexxS (talk) 16:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Jytdog is technically correct. There is also cause for outrage here. I also am upset that at present, Wikipedia is vulnerable to deceptive advertising. The balance of power could change if only we Wikipedia editors could become organized enough to publicly send letters to companies and organizations and demand public explanations of why they are doing these things. I respect Jytdog's intent to express themselves in a way that most accurately communicates what they wish to convey to readers. At the same time, if and when this article and deletion discussion become a case study for how corporate interests attempt to foul and exploit Wikipedia's good reputation for financial interests, then I hope that no one unduly criticizes Wikipedia's quality control processes on the basis of our tolerance of aggressive tone and language. Wikipedia is a place where all people, adults and children, bold and the reserved, outspoken and shy, should feel comfortable coming together to plot the overthrow of corporate wickedness and corruption. - please keep a friendly space for the children who might come here who, in innocence, and without trying to WP:RGW, need a welcoming space for them to engineer the destruction of all evil empires built on the foundation of misleading to make a sale.   Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:58, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That's all well said. I let my disgust get the better of me last night. I still think it is awful that the community is wasting any time on this. Each of us could be building something and instead we are each spending some time standing over the toilet, looking down into it and working the plunger to get this dreck finally flushed. Jytdog (talk) 16:44, 30 August 2017 (UTC)


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