Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Retire21


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 04:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Retire21

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The subject of this article could be two things. It could be about a webpage, retire21.org, as the title clearly indicates. It could also be about the proposal to retire the jersey #21 in MLB in honor of Roberto Clemente. If the article is about the former, I believe it clearly fails WP:WEB, and I would have speedy deleted it under WP:CSD A7. However, because there are 2 newspaper articles cited (NY Sun and NY Times) which discuss the topic of retiring the jersey (but DO NOT mention the website retire21), it isn't entirely clear to me what to do with this article, so I am seeking additional input. I do not believe there is enough reason to create a spin out article on this topic independent from the main Roberto Clemente article, and would favor outright deleting. Renaming and refocusing could be another option. But I want to know what you think. Andrew c [talk] 01:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete--Andrew, I agree with you. The Clemente article has plenty, the two articles have nothing on the website. Moreover, the NYT article does not support the claim made in the article, and the author (it's an opinion piece) does not even agree that the number should be retired. It seems to me like this is a promo-piece meant to let the website ride piggy-back on the reputation of Clemente and the very selective reading of two newspaper articles. So, in the end, once you start pruning out of the article what's not relevant (the Clemente section, which is covered elsewhere) or what's not verified, what you have left is an article that says, there's this website and this is what they propose. Delete. Drmies (talk) 02:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect insufficient independent notability for website name. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No independant reliable sources to establish notability.  —Wknight94 (talk) 21:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - The Roberto Clemente article already mentions in a paragraph the movement to retire the jersey without specifically mentioning anything like this website, so that's sufficient. However, redirecting "Retire21" or "Retire 21 in baseball" or some such wording to the Roberto Clemente article isn't out of the question. Experimental Hobo Infiltration Droid (talk) 00:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


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