Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Revival Of Buddhism In India

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was delete (carried out by User:Joy Stovall)

Revival Of Buddhism In India
Some history: This article was originally marked as a speedy (I don't think it was by me, but I'm not sure). The author then recreated it but added more content. I marked it with an NPOV dispute, as it appeared extremely biased to me (and I had been watching the editor from doing some RC patrol, as he was making some questionable edits). Shortly afterwards, it was marked as a copyright violation. The author removed most of the page, leaving a section with Buddhism-related quotes. They copyrighted version was recently deleted and this version put in its place. The page as it now stands is poorly-titled at best, but I do not believe there is any material in this article which can be expanded. Nevertheless, given my past involvement, I recuse myself from voting. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; (talk) 08:00, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC) END JANUARY VFD DISCUSSION
 * Comment (sticking this in front): I originally flagged it as a copyvio. It included portions of a speech, and list of quotes. The two sections may have been submitted by different authors (one was unregistered), and both were verbatim copies from different sources. The speech didn't survive the copyvio, but the list of quotes is still just a copy of . 68.81.231.127 16:33, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia articles are not lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as quotations". Delete. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 08:15, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Many of the quotations have nothing to do with buddhism. Any relevant material that would fit the title would be more suitable inclusion to buddhism - Skysmith 11:41, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The suggestion that this is not a legitimate topic is ridiculous. (If Buddhism only merits one all-embracing article, the same should apply to Christianity.) But this article isn't the start of a proper article on this subject. Philip 17:09, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * It is a legitimate topic all right but not in this format. Any suggestions for a better transfer? - Skysmith 08:45, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a quote repository. Jayjg |  (Talk)  17:15, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, un-encyclopaedic. Megan1967 01:22, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. Wyss 03:16, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, already covered in Neo-Buddhism. Zora 08:52, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, looks POV to me on top of everything else. --Deathphoenix 04:19, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Hi,

It is my request to administrator to please restore this page. I am collecting material and useful links for this topic. India, the birth of Buddhism is struggeling for revival of buddhism. Caste and untouchablity has reduced indian society even basic human rights are also denied to millions of people under name of caste.

I would like to give information about Mahabodhi Vihar ,Bodhgaya activity, current situation about social work and propagation of buddhism which has been started on Indian soil. Its my request to Admin, please don't remove this article from wikipedia. The information posted will be well researched, with auhors permission and useful for mankind. If you find any contect which is violating the wikipedia policy then you can delete at any time. I am an admirer of wikipedia work so would like to volunteer for some articles.

Metta, Dhammafriend, India

Copyvio

 * Sorry, but I blanked the page. If you can document that you have permission from all the copyright holders, please leave that information on this page. (Note that the "restore" comment above predated both the NPOV and copyvio actions). 68.81.231.127 11:15, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Confirm, above "restore" comment is in response to the speedy deletion of the first incarnation of this article. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker &#2470; (talk)]] 12:01, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * As requested in the copyright violation notice, I am placing a note that the temporary page has been created. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker &#2470; (talk)]] 12:12, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * User:Dhammafriend Please read my comments below in NPOV dispute so that the article Revival Of Buddhism In India can be restored. I've made it clear what is aim and intention of the this article, the required link are also given so there should not be NPOV here.


 * Hi Dhammafriend, I'm sorry if you're confused over the copyright issue. Below in the NPOV section, you said "there is no copyright violation as I've given the links". (I'm replying up here because the NPOV issue and the potential copyright violation are separate, and I don't want to mix them up too much.) Now just because something is on the web, doesn't mean we have permission to use it. Please see Copyrights. There is some good basic information there, and a ton of links at the bottom that might help clarify things. And remember, there are two potential violations: the speech, yes, but also the verbatim list of quotes entered by 203.199.120.7 before you started editing the article. Hope this isn't too frustrating, 68.81.231.127 17:33, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
[This text largely copied from my Women In Hinduism comment.] I am adding a NPOV dispute template to this article, as it appears to exist solely to disparage a religion, and can hardly be considered to have a neutral point of view.


 * I User:Dhammafriend, have already given clarification about Women In Hinduism article. Here talk about the article Revival Of Buddhism In India


 * I User:Dhammafriend Now about the article Revival Of Buddhism In India. I am creating a information article with proper information about the current situation of Buddhism. In the article Revival Of Buddhism In India I not disparaging Hinduism or Brahmnism but talking about Buddhism and its current state only.

In addition, this user (203.199.120.7) appears to have a history of writing articles which attack Hinduism (see Women in Hinduism, Manavantara, and Veda Facts),


 * User:Dhammafriend Veda, Kali Yuga etc. are not relevant to my article about Revival Of Buddhism In India

adding large amounts of non-neutral text to articles about Hinduism (see [Hinduism, Kali Yuga, and Rama), and adding anti-Hinduism links to articles about Hinduism (Hinduism and Krishna). While I would like to see this article become neutral, I cannot see how that will be given its premise. If neither the original author nor another user can propose ways to make this article a useful (and neutral) part of the Wikipedia, I will recommend it for deletion. &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|[[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker &#2470;]] (talk)]] 10:32, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * User:DhammafriendPlease restore the article Revival Of Buddhism In India. Its aim is not disparaging Hinduism Or Brahmnism. It is aimed to give information about Buddhism In india in 21st Century. There is already material available about old history. This article is about current developments.


 * User:Dhammafriend Why conversion? is a clarification given by great social reformer of India 20th century Dr. B. R. Ambedkar that is why buddhism is coming back in its land on origin.


 * User:Dhammafriend Administrator can see the article on this link it is not copied from other sources. There is no violation of copyright.

There is another same article on columbia universityWhat Path to Salvation


 * User:Dhammafriend Dr. Ambedkar converted from Untouchable caste Hindu to Buddhism. It is a common phenomenon that because of social oppression many people convert from one religion to another. Many have converted to Christianity an other faiths. So it is natural that Brahmins and there partners are feeling that the article is agaisnt them even if it is based truth and facts.


 * User:Dhammafriend Mahabodhi Vihar a Holy Buddhist shrine is under Hindu Caste Brahmin Control.Latest news can be seen at [link (http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=1,252,0,0,1,0)] This what I posted on my article as an external links.

Please restore the article Revival Of Buddhism In India. There is no copyright violation as I've given the links and the contents are also telling the current situation only.

As Wikipedia is a source of knowledge about past and present subject. This is an important article. Because there are many people who want to know about Current Buddhism in India.

In Revival Of Buddhism In India I dont want to discuss what happened in past because Indian History is a conflict betwen Brahmnism and Buddhism; but here I am giving information what is happening in present so [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker &#2470; should not have any objection on article Revival Of Buddhism In India.

From Talk:Revival Of Buddhism In India/Temp
It appears that this text refers to Buddhism in general, and not to the revival of Buddhism in India. Furthermore, the entire article consists of quotations about Buddhism. How would you feel about moving this to Wiktionary ? &mdash; [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker &#2470; (talk)]] 12:18, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC) Er, that should have been Wikiquote &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; (talk) 08:04, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I wondered about that :). It might be better to submit it to VfD or even copyvio it again... the quotes are still copied verbatim from, though I'm not sure the copyright status of quote compilations... Oops... I guess you already did. :) 68.81.231.127 16:18, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

From Copyright problems

 * Revival Of Buddhism In India. An unregistered and a registered user have been adding quotes from, and large parts of a (specific translation) of a speech by a Dr. Ambedkar . There doesn't seem to be any original content. On the talk page, the registered user asks that the page not be deleted, but provides no concrete details. I'll leave a note on the user's page. 68.81.231.127 10:47, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC). Decided not to leave a note. For reference, the article was marked with a NPOV dispute before I blanked it (see also: Women In Hinduism). 68.81.231.127 11:04, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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 * I've deleted the copyvioed page and moved in the /Temp page. As the "rewrite" consists solely of quotes, I'd suggest any party still interested list it on VfD. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 04:40, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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