Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rex Rundgren (2nd nomination)


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The result was   merge to Todd Rundgren. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 01:42, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Rex Rundgren
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Quite a non-notable minor league baseball player. At 30 years old, he is currently a free agent and so it does not appear as if he will be making a big league debut. The references attempt to create notability not because of anything HE has really done--they try to create "notability by association," as his father is a semi-popular singer who had a few top 40 hits back in the 1970s. That's not, in my opinion, REAL notability. That is, Rex Rundgren has not done much to make himself notable through his own work and career (in other words, if he wasn't related to Todd Rundgren, he wouldn't be notable at all). He barely played above the Double-A level (only 48 games at AAA, where he hit .187) and he posted a career batting average of .239. Alex (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Maybe a merge to Todd Rundgren. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, easily met WP:GNG in last AFD. Why not add some more of the sources posted to that discussion to the article, rather than nominating it for deletion? -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:35, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Because they may have gotten it wrong in the last AFD. Those articles talk about his father as much as, if not more than, the subject. It seems his notability is inherited, which means he fails GNG. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * When I read them, they seem to be mostly about baseball. No biography of the younger Rundgren is going to entirely avoid mentioning his father, which is proper and entirely unsurprising, but these are pieces about Rex that briefly mention Todd, not pieces about Todd that briefly mention Rex. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 15:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I am not convinced by the assertion that because the articles about Rex Rundgren discuss his father, that this is an example of notability being inherited. I have little doubt that he has received more coverage than someone with identical accomplishments but a less famous father.  Nonetheless, the articles referenced are largely about Rex Rundgren, and so work towards establishing Rex Rundgren's own notability.  As another way to look at it, Rex Rundgren's brother has the same father, but less independent coverage, and so does not meet notability criteria.  But although I believe that Rex Rundgren does meet our notability criteria, I am not sure this article says anything substantive about him that couldn't be said as well via a short section within the Todd Rundgren article (which would also appropriately mention his brother).  So I would be fine with a merge and redirect, until and unless someone wants to fill out this article with more substantive (and of course properly sourced, etc) information. Rlendog (talk) 16:32, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Merge - a couple lines to Todd Rundgren. Carrite (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Adding more sources posted from a previous discussion to the article seems reasonable. Rex Rundgren is set to play in the independent North American Baseball League for the Lake County Fielders (co-owned by Kevin Costner) in 2011.  He is a very good defensive shortstop, albiet with modest offensive stats.  As noted in a previous discussion, Minor League All-Star with AAA experience. epalsla  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.18.90 (talk) 03:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes, he is set to play in an unaffiliated minor league, which is exactly the reason why he is not notable. Alex (talk) 03:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * He's notable for his play in the past, which was covered by numerous high-quality sources, and notability, once achieved, is permanent. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 20:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Added links to articles on MiLB.com and MLB.com and to web page regarding Rex Rundgren playing in the Midwest League 2002 All-Star Game. epalsla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.18.90 (talk) 05:52, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment the main issue here is whether young Rex has notability on his own or if it is inherited from his famous father. I think it is obvious that there wouldn't be sources covering him at all if not for his father being famous, although the sources are covering him, but in relation to his father. So, I'm unsure exactly how much of his notability is inherited and how much of it is authentic. I don't care about how many articles there are with him as a subject, I still feel that as someone we wouldn't talk about if not for his father being famous, it means he's not notable on his own. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Our notability guide on people states "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A)" In this case A, Rex Rundgren, does have significant coverage as a baseball player.  Thus he seems to meet the criteria covered by the parenthetical clause. Rlendog (talk) 19:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Each article cited here is about Rex Rundgren as a professional baseball player. Each article makes positive comments about his skills and accomplishments, whether defensively, offensively, or length of career.  He has been regarded as a shortstop with major-league defensive ability: "Rex has had a reputation of being a very, very good defensive shortstop," 51s manager Lorenzo Bundy said. "A lot of people in the Marlins organization said he could play shortstop in the big leagues, defensively." (Las Vegas Review-Journal). "He's not a fancy guy who makes unbelievable plays, but he's one of the best shortstops in the organization," said [Carolina skipper Luis] Dorante. "He's saved the pitching staff a lot of runs." (MiLB article)  These are not contributions that show up in batting statistics, but they do show up on the field and are valued sufficiently by baseball people to result in Rundgren's professional career having now spanned ten years. He was an All-Star in the minors at the age of 22. He played at the AAA level during two seasons. He has established notability in baseball, which is a profession unrelated to that of his father's accomplishments. Media for every sport includes coverage of athletes' lifestyles because some people find that interesting.  Rex Rundgren had a unique lifestyle as the son of a rock musician.  To be sure, this enhances his notability, but it would be of no interest to sports writers or people who follow pro sports were he not first a notable baseball player.  When most of these articles were written, Rundgren was considered a prospect with major-league ability. In fact, he played for the Florida Marlins, competing for a roster spot in their organization, during spring training in 2006 and 2008. epalsla  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.18.90 (talk) 17:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Either Delete or Merge to Todd Rundgren would work for me. Having viewed the sources listed in the article, they all seem to fall into two categories: 1) articles on MiLB.com/MLB.com, or 2) articles in newspapers local to either Rundgren's hometown (Honolulu), where he went to college (Sacramento) or the minor league team on which he happened to be playing at the time (Las Vegas, Tulsa). Under our current guidelines, I don't believe any of that rises to the level of conferring notability. -Dewelar (talk) 00:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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