Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhalan Gracie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 13:50, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Rhalan Gracie

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

He lost both his MMA fights and fails WP:NMMA since neither was for a top tier organization. The rest of the article is about how he's related to other Gracies and notability is not inherited. Papaursa (talk) 03:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 03:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails the guidelines for notability of people. Simply being a part of the Gracie family isn't enough to establish notability. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete, fails WP:NMMA clearly with no fights for a top tier organization, and being related to other Gracies doesn't make him inherently notable. CaSJer (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - Obviously fails WP:NMMA, but has won a fairly significant BJJ tournament at the black belt level in 2010. May or may not be enough to pass WP:WPMA/N. Certainly needs more sourcing to pass WP:GNG. But I would argue there is some inherent notability in being a member of the Gracie family. Luchuslu (talk) 04:21, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Being a Gracie does not make you notable (see WP:NOTINHERITED) and I don't think a Florida state BJJ championship can be considered a major event. Many of the divisions didn't even have 3 competitors to fill out the medal listings. Papaursa (talk) 04:34, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * According to WP:NOTINHERITED, "Notability of one or more members of some group or class of subjects may or may not apply to other possible members of that group." Just think its a worthwhile question to ask. Luchuslu (talk) 16:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's fine to ask, but I still believe that simply being a Gracie isn't enough to make you notable. Papaursa (talk) 02:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.