Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rheinmetall MAN High Altitude Truck Expedition


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The result was delete. Notability not established. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Rheinmetall MAN High Altitude Truck Expedition

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Article has no independent coverage save what appears to be a press release on Australasian Transport News website which was published on 8 Nov and fortuitously accessed on 8 Nov. other refs are to Rheinmetall MAN. Totally promotional, wp:promo. Fails GNG, no independent news coverage. Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 10:34, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


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 * Retain - certainly in the near term. As I created the page I'm not sure how much weight my opinion might actually carry, but I would like to say it was created as I genuinely think it is an interesting and high enough profile event for inclusion on Wikipedia. My opening gambit for retention would be that in these early stages coverage may not be huge in the wider world, but as the challenge progress and when (if) the team are successful, I strongly suspect coverage will grow significantly. So at the very least, I would suggest leaving things as they are until a week or so after the conclusion of the attempt. If it falters many hundreds of meters from the target, then maybe just include the attempt as a one-liner on the on the mountain page, but if they should succeed, let's see what sort of traction the story gains and revisit the retain/delete debate? I would also add, for what it is worth, that I created this page out of genuine interest in the subject (I have been there) and I worked hard to make sure it was as far away from promotional in content and tone as I possibly could, and I have since creation watched with interest (but not had to take any action yet myself...) as random IP addresses (connected to the event I suspect...) have been attempting to insert the type of promotional link I would never include and wholly disapprove of. Finally, I have just conducted a Google search and have found a handful of mentions of the event across the web, so things are perhaps picking up. I can link to these if anybody wishes it. Just ask.SurfaceAgentX2Zero (talk) 14:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Surface Agent……………..A valid subject. Coverage isn’t extensive at present, but as SA points out, the more success the expedition has, the more coverage it should/will pick up. Some coverage can already be found with any search engine. I found these in 5 minutes.

http://maquina-de-combate.com/blog/?p=54927

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/an-unstoppable-mission-for-a-determined-man/news-story/b61edce3c1a86c8ec9c51be8858b5f50

http://transporte.rutamotor.com/los-camiones-rheinmetall-man-rumbo-la-cima-objetivo-alcanzar-los-6690-m-altitud/

https://www.fullyloaded.com.au/product-news/1711/warren-part-of-rheinmetall-man-altitude-tilt

http://www.wkndheroes.com/se-instala-en-chile-el-refugio-mas-alto-del-mundo-en-los-ojos-del-salado-6-100-msnm/

http://www.herefordtimes.com/News/15651134.Hereford_veteran_aims_to_reach_the_highest_point_on_earth_accessible_to_motor_vehicles/

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/an-unstoppable-mission-for-a-determined-man/news-story/b61edce3c1a86c8ec9c51be8858b5f50

Wolpat (talk) 10:05, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Those weblinks above are to copies of the press release, most of them even use the same sentences, and pics. May I suggest that if this article is to be kept, it should be for Policy based reasons rather than the we like it so it should not be deleted  reasons provided so far, as is the case with all deletion discussions? -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 21:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Dear Roxy, Zalophus californianus., I suppose the first thing I should say is that in no way would I ever propose keeping a Wikipedia entry because I like it. And that's not something I believe I've done here. As previously mentioned, I genuinely think it is an interesting and high enough profile event for inclusion on Wikipedia. A statement that is a very very long way from simply saying I like it so keep it, or anything similar to that. Secondly, I agree with your note about the sourcing of those supporting links. However, having been involved in journalism/PR in a previous working life, I can perhaps advise you that is exactly how most stories/events/occasions are reported in their initial stages. That's what a press release exists for. It is pretty much it's sole purpose in life; to be repeated to promote something. It's only when an event gains media traction that writers/journalists etc start offering up stories and so on that expand on these original press releases and quotes from them. And when this happens, they will be linked. And again, reverting back to my original comments, I think this will happen with this event as it progresses, and so yet again I will repeat my view that I strongly suspect coverage will grow significantly over time, so at the very least I would suggest leaving things as they are until a week or so after the conclusion of the attempt. If it falters many hundreds of meters from the target, then maybe just include the attempt as a one-liner on the on the mountain page. SurfaceAgentX2Zero (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
 * So no then? -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 15:50, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. No indication of independent coverage from third-party reliable sources. Press releases and self-published sources do not convey notability. -- Kinu  t/c 05:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:54, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Article fails WP:GNG and WP:EVENT criteria. No significant coverage by independent reliable sources. All coverage appears to be press releases and promotional materials related to the manufacturer. — Cactus Writer (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I feel the emotion of the article creator and his longish comment to retain it "for possible future coverage" (as he thinks) but per Wikipedia policy WP:NOTFUTURE and guideline WP:EVENT this article is not appropriate for Wikipedia now and should be deleted. It also lacks true independed sources as majorit appear to be press releases by the manufacturer –Ammarpad (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, but good luck Seems like it might be notable, someday. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


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