Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhodri Giggs (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete Salting it has been proposed, since this was recreated after a 2008 deletion. If re-re-created, that option should be considered. Mandsford 20:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Rhodri Giggs
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The only things that have changed since the previous AfD are his two years at Curzon Ashton and Salford City, both of the Northern Premier League Division One North, four divisions below England's lowest wholly professional league. The phrase "Giggs works as a truck driver at Trafford Park when not playing for or managing the club" gives useful context for those unfamiliar with the English football system. Looking at the sources used, it's quite clear that the Mail, BBC and to an extent Manchester Evening News coverage is primarily due to the fact that Rhodri is the brother of Ryan (WP:NOTINHERITED). The rest of the sources exist exclusively to cover non-league football, which means they are not worthy of consideration when deciding whether Rhodri meets the GNG.

I considered speedy-ing under CSD G4. But at least one established editor believes that he merits an article, so I have taken it here for wider discussion. —WFC— 04:16, 21 February 2011 (UTC) —WFC— 04:16, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, nothing has really changed since 1st AfD in regard to notability, still only played or managed as a non-professional. While any article about this Giggs is likely to again mention that he is Ryan's brother and that shouldn't preclude him from having an article, any coverage give to Rhodri is either in direct relation to (or, per his assault conviction, inflated because of) that, or general sports announcements and coverage of a trivial nature - ie his non-league match report mentions and coaching appointment. I think the final keep rational in the previous AfD sums up the reason to not have an article; an encyclopaedia should _not_ have "articles about people that have been in the news for reasons that don't frankly matter", Rhodri Giggs has achieved nothing of note.-- Club Oranje T 07:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Still not notable. Can we salt this as well? It's been deleted three times already. Number   5  7  09:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes GNG by having multiple mainstream media reliable sources on article and talk page that are primarily about him and his life covering the last 5 years. Any reporting about him will inevitably cast him in the shadow of his brother, but there is certainly enough there to pass WP:N. Nanonic (talk) 11:23, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Every single one of which falls into one of the two categories outlined above. —WFC— 11:29, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing has changed regarding Mr Giggs' notability since the last AfD. Imprisonment for assault doesn't afford notability, nor does being an estate agent who sold a wrap of cocaine and wouldn't have qualified for a tabloid "sting" had he not been Ryan Giggs' brother. He isn't notable as a football player or coach because he's done neither at a fully-professional level. The only difference between media coverage of Mr Giggs' coaching career and that of any other of the hundreds of ordinary blokes who coach non-league football in their spare time, is that journalists think they'll get an easy feature piece published if they can hang it on the contrast between Rhodri Giggs and his superstar brother. Struway2 (talk) 11:59, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - this guy is still floating abround the semi-professional world of sports (failing WP:NFOOTBALL) and there is not enough "substantial media coverage" to meet WP:GNG. I'd suggest to the creator to userfy, work on it, as it could have potential at some point in the future with a lot of research and hard work - but it doesn't now. GiantSnowman 14:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Does not meet the requirements at WP:Athlete.4meter4 (talk) 11:13, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.