Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhodri Jones (Photographer)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) &mdash;  Yash! (Y) 00:53, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Rhodri Jones (Photographer)

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BLP, doesn't appear to meet notability standards. Current provided sources are subject's own book and a Google+ link. Quite a lot of work, but not a lot of coverage in reliable sources. Prod contested by article creator. -- Finngall  talk  20:06, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Rhodri Jones is a notable and professional living Welsh Photographer who has worked all over the world and held exhibitions in reputable establishments such as the National Library of Wales. A quick google search reveals articles and reviews of his work in the Telegraph, Daily Post and Wales Online. Panos Pictures agency state that his work has been carried by leading magazines, newspapers, NGO's and publishers world wide. In 2000 his work featured in a BBC Wales TV documentry "Moving Stills". In my opinion his contribution to Welsh Photography is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. Jason.nlw (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wales-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment I prodded the page, but the tag was removed by (ping) with considerable extension of the page, and the following message on my talk page:
 * This article is being created as part of a Wikimedia event. please do not delete until the article has been created (not before 5pm GMT) for more information contact user:jason.nlw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evansphoto1 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I could not find anything corroborating this story on wikimediafoundation.org, but saying I am not familiar with that website would be an understatement. Perhaps someone could help?
 * Please see Welsh Photographers Edit-a-thon on Wikimedia events page for April.Jason.nlw (talk) 11:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I am not sure this person passes WP:CREATIVE which is very stringent (too stringent?). I suppose the applicable criterion would be #3 (I do not quite see #4b) but "Moving stills" is too short (30 min) for the In addition, such work must have been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film requirement. This being said, prodding was clearly rushed, so I will refrain on taking a position. Tigraan (talk) 09:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. No indication of notability, see WP:CREATIVE. Photographers are notable by default. Ping me if references are provided showing that this person (or their) work has received significant, in-depth coverage. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised to learn from the Prokonsul that "Photographers are notable by default", but anyway this photographer has books with forewords by notable people, his work is available through Panos Pictures: looks to me like some indication of notability. Keep, and retitle "Rhodri Jones (photographer)". -- Hoary (talk) 14:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Piotrus most probably forgot to slip a "not", being given the rest of his comment. Anyways, there certainly is "some indication of notability" but which of the (stringent) criteria of WP:CREATIVE is it supposed to pass? Or are you suggesting GNG is met? Tigraan (talk) 09:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:CREATIVE: (1), (2), no; (3), not as far as I know; (4a) no; (4b), (4c), (4d), not as far as I know. Notability (people), of which this is part, describes itself as a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply. Common sense tells me that a short, non-promotional, straightforward, well sourced article on a photographer is warranted if that photographer has multiple photobooks out from non-vanity publishers, if these photobooks come with introductions by a poet laureate and the creator of Vietnam Inc, if he's had exhibitions in such places as Noorderlicht, the National Library of Wales, and Third Floor and Side galleries; and if Panos Pictures think that he is worth their trouble. Wikipedia suffers long-term bombardment of more or less obviously promotional non-articles about minor photographers; this, however, is different. -- Hoary (talk) 12:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I would not lose any sleep if this went by the "occasional exceptions" clause. Tigraan (talk) 08:44, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached. Relisting comment: Discussion of sources not assertions would be really helpful Spartaz Humbug! 07:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 07:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep He appears to be prominent in his field and has exhibited in major venues in several countries. I have edited the list of exhibitions in the article to clarify some of the exhibition venues, with wikilinks. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep There seems to be a bit of notability in quite a few countries, which is probably enough. Some good sources there (The Guardian for instance). Joseph2302 (talk) 14:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:54, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: WP:CREATIVE says "The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." Clearly Rhodri Jones numerous exhibitions alone confer notability upon him. See e.g. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/returnyn-ol-by-rhodri-jones-2327890 Ross-c (talk) 21:55, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep – Meets WP:CREATIVE and weakly meets WP:BASIC:, , . North America1000 03:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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