Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhub communications


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Aside from SPAs, there is a clear consensus that this article fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Rhub communications

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Delete Obvious spam article created by an account that has been blocked for being a spam account. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - spam and COI can be overcome, but this company appears utterly non-notable per WP:CORP. Zero hits in gnews, and it's hard to find any web searches that are even borderline reliable and verifiable. Certainly fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG. tedder (talk) 20:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Google News does show 464 articles on RHUB: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RHUB&sa=N&tbs=nws:1,ar:1 and there are 41,000 items found doing a normal Google Search. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmaigatter (talk • contribs) 00:05, October 23, 2010 — Bmaigatter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  -- tedder (talk) 20:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is not spam. This is a notable company and does not fail WP:CORP and WP:GNG. The company has appeared in Silicon Valley Business Journal, Baseline Magazine, TMCnet, ITWorld Canada, PC Magazine and many others in the last year and a half. There are several hits and company announcements on the 2010 gnews search. Tried to update the coverage section, but keeps being deleted. Please provide help. Happysantacruz (talk) 21:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) 21:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)   — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Would you mind telling us what role you fill at Rhub? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm a very happy user of their GoMeetNow webconferencing. I have a small business, and I use GoMeetNow instead of Webex which I was paying too much money for. It's great, you should check it out -- http://www.gomeetnow.com/ Happysantacruz (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Researched company and it is non-notable per WP guidelines.  Appears to be edited by users with single purpose WP:SPA and promotional intent. Calltech (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I think if their page emphasized their uniqueness it might be more informative. They might be the only web conferencing appliance maker out there.  And RHUB offers a remote support appliance, with I think Bomgar being the only alternative in that market.  Their sales guy told me that RHUB has over 1,000 customers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmaigatter (talk • contribs) 00:05, October 23, 2010  — Bmaigatter (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please note the edit history of the Bmaigatter account. 29 edits on a single day back in 2006 and suddenly four years later an edit here on this AFD. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 00:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please also note that there are already a number of blocked sock puppet accounts related to Rhub. Please see Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Jmao1 AlistairMcMillan (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete and salt; this has been deleted twice already. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's also been created at Rhub Communications, which would be the right location if the article stays, so they should both be salted. tedder (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Google News provides only press releases. If Happysantacruz can provide links to the articles claimed it might help; I couldn't find them. --MelanieN (talk) 15:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Here are some examples of RHUB's Notable Press Coverage in the last year and a half. These links were deleted from the article by another user: Happysantacruz (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Silicon Valley Business Journal: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/07/12/daily40.html
 * Baseline Magazine: http://www.baselinemag.com/c/a/Business-Intelligence/Knowledge-Management-and-Collaboration-Create-Knowledge-Sharing-513230/1/
 * Online Meeting Tools Review: http://www.webconferencing-test.com/blog/2010/08/31/microsoft-looses-ground-while-gomeetnow-leaps-into-our-top-5/
 * IT World Canada: http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/turbomeeting-collaboration-adds-enterprise-features/140963
 * Phone+ Magazine: http://www.phoneplusmag.com/blogs/peertopeer/2010/04/eliminating-net-neutrality-harms-channel.aspx
 * tmcnet: http://www.tmcnet.com/enews/e-newsletters/internet-telephony/20091229/71677-an-inside-look-whats-next-hd-voip-other.htm
 * CRN: http://www.crn.com/blogs-op-ed/networking/217600712/5-new-kids-on-the-networking-block.htm
 * Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09172/978709-467.stm
 * PC Magazine: http://www.pcmag.com/business/article/turbomeeting-appliance-offers
 * CRN Magazine review: http://www.rhubcom.com/web_conferencing/CRNreview.pdf


 * NOTES Looked into this a bit more. AlistairMcMillan (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 10:36, July 31, 2008 - Rhubcom.com created by User:Prabinsen
 * 11:07, July 31, 2008 - Rhubcom.com deleted after being marked for speedy deletion


 * 00:24, November 20, 2008 - RHUB created by User:Rhubcom
 * 00:48, November 20, 2008 - RHUB deleted after being marked for speedy deletion
 * 00:48, November 20, 2008 - User:Rhubcom spamusernameblock'd


 * 00:16, July 16, 2009 - Rhub Communications created by User:Rhub Communications
 * 00:56, July 16, 2009 - Rhub Communications deletedafter being marked for speedy deletion
 * 00:57, July 16, 2009 - User:Rhub Communications blocked with "matches the name of a business the user is trying to promote"


 * 20:17, July 22, 2009 - RHUB Communications created by User:Jadore126
 * 22:53, November 6, 2009 - RHUB Communications deleted after being marked for speedy deletion


 * 21:22, November 9, 2009 - Rhub communications created by User:Jadore126
 * 21:27, November 9, 2009 - Rhub communications deleted after being marked for speedy deletion


 * 00:06, November 12, 2009 - Rhub communications re-created by User:Jadore126
 * 02:53, November 12, 2009 - Rhub communications deleted after being marked for speedy deletion


 * 23:50, November 12, 2009 - RHUB Communications created by User:Jadore126
 * 04:28, November 13, 2009 - RHUB Communications after being marked for speedy deletion


 * 06:24, November 22, 2009 - RHUB re-created by User:Jmao1
 * 02:36, November 26, 2009 - User:Jadore126 blocked as a sockpuppet of User:Jmao1
 * 23:10, November 26, 2009 - User:Jmao1 blocked after Sockpuppet_investigations/Jmao1
 * 23:11, November 26, 2009 - User:Prabinsen blocked as a sockpuppet of User:Jmao1
 * 21:37, November 30, 2009 - RHUB deleted after Articles for deletion/RHUB


 * 06:33, August 9, 2010 - Rhub communications re-created by User:Rhub_web
 * 11:54, August 9, 2010 - User:Rhub_web spamusernameblock'd

Here is a link to a recent Wainhouse Research Analyst Report that includes RHUB Communications: http://www.wainhouse.com/images/reports/wr_rmc09_v1_summary.pdf Happysantacruz (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If you READ the ARTICLES (links) listed above they speak for themselves -- RHUB Communications is a NOTABLE COMPANY.
 * All the article links and the analyst report can be found on the company's website press section: http://www.rhubcom.com/v4/web_conferencing/press.html Happysantacruz (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Comment Of the provided sources, most appear to be press releases or are from non-Reliable Sources. There are a few that appear legitimate but minor. The Silicon Valley/San Jose Business Journal reports on a collaboration with another, larger company. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and PC Magazine items are puzzlers in that they appear to have been written by journalists at the publications, but are written in a totally boosterish, press-release-ish tone. Basically this doesn't add up to much in the way of notability per WP:COMPANY. And given the history of repeated spamming documented by Allistair, I still favor delete and possibly salt. (And given the above history, has anyone done a whois search on the current SPA, Happysantacruz?) --MelanieN (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Every link above is an article from a credible news source in the technology and business press -- not press releases. The links only include coverage for a year and a half of the company's 5-year history from the company's website). It is a small company, and according to WP:COMPANY, "...arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations." Happysantacruz (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Correction: This consists entirely of press releases. And of the other links, only the ones I mentioned are from what we would consider Reliable Sources; many are from blogs or websites rather than published sources. --MelanieN (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Correction: All the links provided above are from articles from credible news sources in the technology and business press. This does not only consist of press releases it also has a section for press coverage and awards. Most company press pages contain press releases, press coverage and awards.Happysantacruz (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC) — Happysantacruz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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