Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhys Matthew Bond


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR. No point relisting this, has been totally derailed by SPAs. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Rhys Matthew Bond

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Doesn't seem to meet WP:NACTOR. The sources are extremely questionable or flat out non-reliable (IMdB). The question for the community probably comes down to whether being named for a Young Artist Award confers notability. - Brianhe (talk) 02:19, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Brianhe (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

I understand that IMDb isn’t always a credible source, but verifying Rhys as an actor is as simple as tuning into The Hallmark Channel or UPTV and watching him act on nationally televised programs. These aren’t no name, indie films he’s acting in – they are very popular productions with large budgets. No Wikipedia user can refute that he isn’t in them – just refer to the footage. It's proof. Here's a video of Rhys acting in The Good Witch, which was posted by The Hallmark Channel's official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDqiBnURrJY.

Rhys Matthew Bond easily meets WP:NACTOR.

1) Rhys is a series regular for the number one TV series for the Hallmark channel in the US, and the W Network in Canada for the last 3 consecutive years.	 2) Rhys communicates with a ever growing fan base of over 162,000.00 fans on his various social media channels, that include Facebook, Instagram & Twitter. 3) Rhys was acknowledged and awarded Young Artist Award for best perforamce in a TV series (Ties That Bind).

How can you say IMDB is a extremely questionable or flat out non-reliable? IMDb is the world’s most authoritative source of verified content for movie, TV and celebrity content. There are also other references to the Hallmark channel, UP TV and various other online publications.

You also questioned whether or not being named for a Young Artist Award confers notability. Young Artist Award has it's own Wikipedia page. If it were not notable, why does it exist? This award was also given to a young Leonardo DiCaprio. Are you going to remove the award as it appears on his page too? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_DiCaprio

The US government acknowledged Rhys's acting ability, by granting him an O visa to work in United States. If the US goverment deems Rhys notable enough, why should he not be notible enough to have a Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.65.68.30 (talk) 06:40, 8 January 2017 (UTC) — 184.65.68.30 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * It's not my opinion alone on the veracity of IMdB. See Citing IMDb. I'll come back and discuss the other points in a bit. By the way how do you happen to know the actor's visa status and specific visa program? Brianhe (talk) 07:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Rhys, received 5 verified IMDB actor credits. I also noted on his IMDB resume, that he is authorized to work in United States — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvbwp12 (talk • contribs) 08:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

A Worthwhile Life was filmed on location in and around Salt Lake City, Utah. Rhys Matthew Bond, must have an O visa to work legally in United States. The US government, and the O visa Wikipedia page, clearly state: O-1B visa – individuals with an extraordinary ability in the arts or extraordinary achievement in motion picture or television industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvbwp12 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 8 January 2017 (UTC)


 * IMDB has limited appropriateness as a Wikipedia source, See Citing IMDb.  Rogermx (talk) 16:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * WEAK KEEP based on the number of acting roles in TV shows WP:NACTOR.  The industry award criteria is for pornographic actors only.  We have no proof of his fan base and no evidence of a significant contribution to the field of entertainment.  The US government is not a judge of acting achievement.  This subject is on the cusp.  Rogermx (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Rhys Matthew Bond Certainly meets the criteria for Wikipedia's WP:NACTOR.

If you click on the WP:NACTOR link, Wikipedia directs you to the three following criteria for individuals in entertainment:

1. "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions."

Rhys played the role of Cameron Olson on UP Television's single most successful television series ever, Ties That Bind. To prove that, here is a profile on Rhys taken from UP Television's website: http://uptv.com/shows/ties-that-bind/bios/rhys-matthew-bond/. If you need further proof that Rhys played a major role in this major television show, please watch the series Ties That Bind, and you will find that Rhys appears as Cameron Olson in all 10 episodes.

Another one of Rhys significant roles includes his portrayal of a Teenage James in The Hallmark Channel's most recent film Love at First Glance, formerly known as A Worthwhile Life, which stars Adrian Grenier of Entourage fame and Amy Smart from Just Friends, Road Trip, The Butterfly Effect, Shameless, Starsky & Hutch, and Varsity Blues. Here is a picture of Rhys on the set of the film from Hallmark's website: http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/love-at-first-glance/photos-from-love-at-first-glance/6#listheader.

2. "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following."

Here is a link to Rhys' Instagram account, which has almost 50,000 followers: https://www.instagram.com/rhysmatthewbond/?hl=en Here is a link to Rhys' Twitter account, which has almost 10,000 followers: https://twitter.com/RhysMatthewBond?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor These numbers clearly indicate that Rhys has a significant cult following, all of it garnered from various acting roles in film and television.

3. "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

Rhys has acted in multiple notable film and television roles and has amassed a large following with adoring fans all by the age of 18. This is innovative, unique, and indicative of a very bright future for such a young talent!

Considering that Rhys meets all three of the criteria provided by Wikipedia, the deletion of this article should certainly be reconsidered.

The US government may not be a judge of acting achievement; but the criteria that must be met clearly states:

“To qualify for an O-1 visa in the motion picture or television industry, the beneficiary must demonstrate extraordinary achievement evidenced by a degree of skill and recognition significantly above that ordinarily encountered to the extent the person is recognized as outstanding, notable or leading in the motion picture and/or television field”

You also have plenty of proof relating to fan base. Rhys Matthew Bond’s Social media is all verified. Nvbwp12 (talk) 21:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC) — Nvbwp12 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The problem with social media headcounts is that they are trivially faked: see The Guardian for some facts like $5 per 2,000 Twitter followers, often 50% or more of celebrity followers are fake. Even if this were not the case, is "almost 10,000" really noteworthy or is it D-list status? To put this in perspective Joel Comm, inventor of the esteemable iFart Mobile claims 829,000 followers and he has just squeaked by AfD.

Stating that it is possible to buy twitter and instagram followers doesn't prove that Rhys has ever done so, and any accusation that he ever has is unsubstantiated. The simple truth is that Rhys has gained notoriety by appearing on several nationally and internationally televised programs and his following is the result of all the adoring fans that Rhys has accumulated by doing so.


 * As for the visa status argument, wow. Rogermx is dead on right: the government really isn't in the talent evaluation business. First of all everything stated is an empty assertion that it "must have been" judged by some talent criterion. Hogwash. Someone wanted him to come down from Vancouver and the US State Department obliged. And we don't really even have any evidence of that, just presumption.

Rhys was granted the Visa because the US government evaluated him and believe he met the following official criteria: "The O-1 nonimmigrant visa is for the individual who possesses extraordinary ability in the sciences, arts, education, business, or athletics, or who has a demonstrated record of extraordinary achievement in the motion picture or television industry and has been recognized nationally or internationally for those achievements." And maybe the US government isn't known for being in the talent evaluation business, but that's the exact business that The Hallmark Channel and UP TV are involved in. and they don't tend to offer large sums of money to 18 year old unless they have deemed their talent worthy.


 * So what we are left with, is this: can a young actor with a one-season show and the beginning of a multiseason career less than two years old meet WP:NACTOR. I've already given my opinion, now the community must be heard, hopefully some who have contributed widely beyond this single subject. - Brianhe (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Your opinions of Rhys' talent and the programs he appears in are subjective, and irrelevant to this conversation. Regardless of whether you like him or not, there are thousands of people across the country that appreciate what Rhys has contributed to the world of entertainment, and there's nothing you can do to change that, not even try to get his page deleted for seemingly no apparent reason.

You are incorrect, and are obviously someone with a grudge or an internet troll. The Good Witch has wrapped it's third season of production and will air in April, the show is also already in discussions with the network and studio about being picked up for a fourth season. Rhys has been a series regular since the first season of that show therefore has been on the show for three years, not two like you claim.

Also, Rhys is represented by William Morris Endeavor, by the same agent who represents Emma Stone, Leighton Meister, Dylan O'Brien and who signed and built the career of Shia LaBeouf. Rhys has also been in several publications, including recently being featured in Sweety High

Wikipedia should not be swayed by internet bullies and internet trolls who's sole intent are to damage or harm someone's career and/or reputation. Wikipedia and the community should keep this factual, and worthy, information available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:812D:19C7:5E97:9243:6669 (talk) 01:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Rhys Matthew Bond is a rising star, a heartthrob, and a very legitimate actor! He's been a series regular and star on two major television shows, he was offered a starring role in a new Netflix teen series, but he turned it down at his agent (WME) and Managers (The Cartel) advise as it would've taken him out of the country for 12 months and made him miss season 3 of the good witch. His new movie, Love At First Glane premiers on Hallmark on Valentines Day, and stars Amy Smart and Adrian Grenier.

He meets all the requirements set forth by wikipedia, and after reading the reasons to have Rhys' page deleted, it is obvious that this group of people, the Cascadia Wikimedians User Group, are basically an organized group of internet trolls who are bullying Rhys for some unknown grudge or vendetta. After having done some research, it is possible the users are Perhaps even trying to troll Rhys for pay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1303:812D:E1FF:3184:AB66:1973 (talk) 04:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

User:Brianhe - I noted in the history that you removed Sweetyhigh interview reference (Undid revision 758983724 by Nvbwp12 (talk) - not an interview, just Twitter cut/paste to some blog) (undo | thank)

You have gone out of your way to devalue the work of Rhys Matthew Bond who clearly meets WP:NACTOR requirement. Here is a interesting fact for the community to read. You state in your user page User:Brianhe 'I am partnering with Benjamin Mako Hill as a wiki ambassador at University of Washington Departmennt of Communication for building successful online communities.' Benjamin Mako Hill's Wikipedia page was considered for deletion 2 years ago, but still remains today; yet you tried to remove Rhys Matthew Bond's page almost immediately, and it would have been if I had not have intervened, leading to this discussion. Nvbwp12 (talk) 06:19, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Bold textGood Afternoon Brianhe (and other Wiki Moderators). As Canadian Agent/Manager for Rhys Matthew Bond as a professional Actor, I would like to offer my assistance in verifying any such questionable information that you may wish to address. Feel free to contact me directly for said verification. My e-mail address is jodi.caplan@lucastalent.com (www.lucastalent.com - Lucas Talent is an established Talent Agency of 30 years). Many thanks for your assistance with finalizing this promptly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodi.caplan (talk • contribs) 21:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I can't believe anyone would spend time questioning the veracity of Rhys' achievements as a TV actor, dreamboat, and rising star. Talk to ANY of the Canadian girls at my school, and they'll tell you that he's one of the most adorable characters in GOOD WITCH, and we hope he stays around for the duration of the series. As for the accusations of buying social media followers: anyone who has any knowledge of social media knows that you can't both accuse a public figure of buying followers AND state that their follower count is too low to make them a credible source in their field. Both these points, however, are moot, as those familiar with the social media marketing business will tell you that follower count and reach is much less important than User Engagement, and a quick trip to any of Rhys' social media pages will tell you that his followers are not bots, as they're constantly responding, engaging, and reposting the articles he shares. He's a young kid, but he's a promising kid, an attractive kid, and his reach extends across continents and will prove to result in a promising career that will skyrocket him past UP and Hallmark fame, which are just steps on the beginning segment of his journey from cult following to popular stardom. Surely Wikipedia pages are meant for anyone of noteworthy talent, and surely Rhys qualifies. Anyone who disagrees is someone who has heard of him and sought out this page, proving that he's famous enough to be worthy of discussion, and per Wikipedia's Deletion Policy, articles that receive a heavy debate with regards to their qualification for deletion will usually remain in tact. As we've proved through this extensive conversation, Rhys' status as a pillar of the television community in both Canada and the US is up for debate enough to warrant keeping this article around until further developments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiti Martin (talk • contribs) 16:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)


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