Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ricardo Alfonso Cerna


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 21:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ricardo Alfonso Cerna

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Video of Cerna's suicide gained a little media coverage back in 2003, but wikipedia is not news. His filmed suicide didn't make him notable enough. Karppinen (talk) 16:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Article-worthy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thprfssnl (talk • contribs) 19:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete random bad guy kills himself after shooting cop. Adios. WP:NOT -Atmoz (talk) 16:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and rewrite as Suicide of Ricardo Cerna - I think this meets notability guidelines and that WP:NOT and WP:BLP1E do not apply. The shooting gained notability right after taking place, and then a year later the shooting was in the news again when the video was leaked and posted on the web.  There was also a minor controversy and accusations that the police murdered the subject while in custody.  But the focus of the article is wrong.  The shooter himself doesn't have notability so much as the suicide and the video itself.  This should be renamed to Suicide of Ricardo Cerna and written from that perspective, including the effect the video had and how it was leaked. &mdash; LinguistAtLarge • Talk  04:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * How does WP:NOT and WP:BLP1E not apply? This is an article about a person notable for one event that got covered fairly trivially by media outlets. The suicide isn't notable because the media started speculating why someone died in police custody. I have no objection to the article being moved to WikiNews and a soft redirect left. -Atmoz (talk) 17:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If people don't agree with LinguistAtLarge, the page still shouldn't be deleted. Wikipedia isn't a news source, but WikiNews is, so if it can't be here, it should be moved to that wiki instead. - Mgm|(talk) 11:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of lasting coverage of this guy in the local paper beyond the details of the leaked video, fails WP:BLP1E. The refs provided by LinguistAtLarge might be enough to smerge a sentence or two on the suicide itself into cop killer, not enough controversy to support a redirect though. Ottre 18:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions.  --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –  Juliancolton  | Talk 00:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Explanation of my !vote above. - If it is moved to Suicide of Ricardo Cerna, then WP:BLP1E no longer applies, since it it no longer a biography of someone who is notable only for a single event. Instead, we are "covering the event, not the person". As for WP:NOT, I think this is more then just a one-off news report, since it was again covered in the news one year after the original event. That said, I'm pretty neutral on this.  If it's moved to Wikinews and a soft redirect left, that's fine with me too. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  01:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added a note to List of suicides for the time being (no article on the cop killer phenomenon). Again, don't think we need turn this article into a redirect as there was no real controversy over the leak. Ottre 17:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


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