Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rich McNanna


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is consensus here that the subject meets WP:ENT and that the article ought to be kept as a result. Skomorokh 12:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Rich McNanna

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Non-notable autobiography. He's had several voice acting roles on television shows, but they are all dubbing jobs, doing English versions of Japanese programs. The only third party coverage I can find is mentions, and it's for theatre work, presumably it's the same person, but none of it establishes notability. Hairhorn (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Insufficient notability to meet guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - As someone who regularly works on English voice actor articles, this one is particularly weak, and I'm not finding information int he places I'd normally expect to see it. The actor doesn't really have a large body of work, and doesn't appear to have any coverage by indpendent sources, except maybe an interview in the RightStuf podcast which was mentioned in a ANN press release.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 02:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * changed to Weak keep - appears to pass WP:ENTERTAINER. -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 20:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 04:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: OTOH, he has voiced the lead roles of Kujibiki Unbalance (2006 series), To Heart, and Gravitation. On the face of it, that's enough to pass WP:ENTERTAINER. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * As best I can determine, McNanna's other roles have all been minor, but these three lead roles are readily verifiable from reliable sources. I note that the current state of the article -- pretty crappy -- is irrelevant to a deletion discussion as an AFD is supposed to be about the potential of the topic. Per past precedent in other AFDs, voice acting counts as much as any other kind of acting as far as WP:ENTERTAINER is concerned. Three is not a huge number of roles, but these were all series protagonists, and as such I think we should be keep this article. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with voice acting being on par with on-screen acting, except when it comes to dubbing work, which to my mind is less notable. Hairhorn (talk) 05:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep The main problem here is notability and if or if not this passes WP:ENTERTAINER. If Quasirandom is correct and there are reliable references for the things he has voiced the lead roles of than yes this would pass WP:ENTERTAINER for notable people. Btw people who dub in english and voice in english can and have been notable. I would just go ahead and place the references in the article now. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:46, 1 September 2009 (AT)
 * So what you're saying is "keep if sources can be found"? Because I've looked for sources and not come up with much. Hairhorn (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So there are little references for his work on the dubs and voice acting he did? I had seen someone mention that he voiced the lead roles of Kujibiki Unbalance (2006 series), To Heart, and Gravitation, Yes my keep is based on references and if it does pass WP:ENTERTAINER if the notability isnt found then I dont see much future for the article. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:46, 3 September 2009 (AT)


 * Keep Has voiced the lead in multiple notable series. Edward321 (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * He has dubbed voices in American versions of several notable series, not quite the same thing, that's kinda the whole point of the AfD nomination. Hairhorn (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * When you're talking about a voice actor who dubs japanese shows, you're looking for their dub roles. Dub actors should not be held as less important than the original japanese voice actor simply because they're not in the original cast.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 20:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Meh. Voice actors help create a character. Dubbing actors do little more than read lines; they rarely even get rehearsal time. Hairhorn (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This may have been true in the past, but these days, for major roles, actors are given better background and are usually given little more room to be creative. They are a part of the translation processes just as much as the person who translated the script.  Adapting anime for a different language isn't an exact science.  At any rate, we don't require a higher threshold for notability when dealing with voice actors who happen to do dub work; there's nothing like that in any of the inclusion criteria.  -- Kraftlos  (Talk | Contrib) 06:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That statement pretty much shows your bias. A Japanese voice actor no more contribute to a character's portrayal than an English voice actor. How much an actor gets to rehears depends on the director. I know that some ADR directors prefer to capture the dialog on a "cold read" as that suppose to create a more natural vocal reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if some Japanese directors work the same way. However, because of the way anime is produced, its all dub work, both in Japanese and in English. The voice actor's only input into the character's portrayal is through their vocal performance. Everything else is decided by other people. --Farix (Talk) 00:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


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