Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rich picture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. However, if someone wishes to further discuss the notability of the non hijacked version of this article then they are free to renominate at any time. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Rich picture

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Content essentially duplicates Mind map, and openly asserts that it is not about the subject in the title. "This description refers to Mind Maps and not Rich Pictures". Only content concerning "Rich Pictures" is the fact that they were developed by Peter Checkland and two external links. Also probably a violation of WP:OR. Claritas (talk) 18:17, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Revert The content of the original Rich picture article was replaced by the Mind Maps stuff on 30 September 2006. If we were to revert to the 13 August 2006 version by User:Bitsaremissing, we'd at least have an article that matched its title, and then that could be examined instead -- Boing!   said Zebedee  22:57, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake - I didn't look at the article history enough. Claritas (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Be bold - OK, I've been bold and reverted to the last version before it was hijacked and replaced with all that Mind Maps stuff. But in that state it's unreferenced and has a tag, so I think it's still worth continuing the discussion here to see whether it's thought to be salvageable in that state --  Boing!   said Zebedee  17:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep many relevant refs in just the simple G Scholar search in the heading: Methods & tools: the rich picture: a tool for reasoning about work context and Towards an SSM toolkit: Rich picture diagramming and Rich picture building in the soft systems methodology, the first three hits, all by different authors in different good journals,  even have it in the title.  Obviously many of those 7330 hits are other meanings, but at least 30 of the first 50 hits use it.  Searching  "Rich picture" SSM (SSM=Soft Systems Methodology), which is very specific, gives 856 G Scholar items.   I admit to having a considerable degree of skepticism  about articles on management terminology, but some of those articles do turn out to be well justified. I never heard of the concept until today, and expected to say delete--until I looked for references. I don't trust my own prior knowledge: by experiment with random articles, I find I have never heard before of about 90% of WP content.  DGG ( talk ) 16:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm more neutral about this since I realized that the page wasn't originally a simple duplicate of mind map, but I'd still prefer a merge and redirect to Soft systems methodology than keeping the article. It seems to be notable by the standards of WP:NOTABILITY, but I share your skepticism concerning management research. Claritas (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources available confirm this is a notable concept rather than just management jargon. (I covered these in my Business degree.) Cassandra 73 (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.