Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard A. Hoffman (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 08:54, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Richard A. Hoffman
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Non-notable banker and political candidate. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete Fails WP:NPOL....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Only way Hoffman could get keep votes is if sufficient local media coverage can be found, currently no where near passing "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" on WP:NPOL.TenderKing (talk) 13:49, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Local media coverage will not do it. Local media always cover elections, but we have decided this does not show notability. We would need signifacant coverage in non-local sources. There remains a break between me and some other editors, in that I think this needs to go beyond mere name checking but in some discussions other editors have accepted name checking, even when the candidate lacks a coherent platform and seems to have no real vitality in their campaign for office. However either way Hoffman totally lacks significant coverage.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates in elections they did not win, but this makes no other claim that he had any preexisting notability for other reasons independently of the candidacies. Bearcat (talk) 19:22, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete nothing notable about this person. Fails WP:NPOL per nominator and previous ivoters Wm335td (talk) 17:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the previous deltion discussion 12 years ago was tainted by the fact that we had not yet established the guideline that unelected candidates for office were not notable for such. At the time some still held that those who held major party nominees, especially in 2-party systems, were default notable. Another argument was "he is notable for criticing his own party". The problem with this argument is it exhibits confusion between political parties in the US and some other countries. In some countries political parties have restrictive membership. In the US, this has not been able to be the case since the Supreme Court Ruled against the practice of some Democract Parties of having "all-white" (only white voters allowed) primaries. Some states do not even make one declare party affiliation to vote in a primary, but even where such is required party affiliation can not be shown. The classic example of what this leads to is the 1996 congressional election where Donald Lobsinger was the general election Republican candidate against David Bonior, who I believe at the time was the number 2 highest Democrat in the US house. John Engler, the Republican governor of Michigan, stated he hoped Lobsinger got only two votes. Why, in large part because party leaders have less power to control who wins nominations than they would like. Lobsinger was generally considered racist, his activisms might actually make him notable, but I don't feel like digging through the sources to prove that. We do mention some of his activism in ways that many felt was advocating violence against African-Americans during the 1967 riots. In the final analysis the fact that Hoffman's campaign did not get any earmarking of funds from the national Republican campaign commitee shows that he was a total longshot. Short of creating articles on every candidate for congress who had a major party nomination, Hoffman is just not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:54, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - two-time candidate, each time gaining less than a third of the vote. Bearian (talk) 15:10, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per WP:NPOL on failed candidates. Bkissin (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)


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