Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard A. Russell


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep without consensus, based on WP:N. WP:COI and "that other stuff has been deleted" are not reasons to delete. A new AfD can be opened in the near future if necessary. Bearian 17:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Richard A. Russell

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Mr. Russell is the U.S. "Deputy Associate Director of National Intelligence, for Information Technology Programs". This sounds like a nonnotable mid-level position. Although the author has vigorously asserted Mr. Russell's notability and claimed that there are news sources supporting this, s/he hasn't put any such sources in the article. NawlinWiki 21:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable. I know the google test isn't a good idea, but these were the top 6 hits:
 * 1. Wikipedia article.
 * 2. Richard Russell's Dow Theory Letters (different person)
 * 3 to 5: Hits referring to the above Richard Russell (#2).
 * 6. A bio about Richard M. Russell, who works who works for the US Office of Science and Technology Policy.
 * The only external link is broken, so delete per WP:BIO.  NA SC AR Fan 24 (radio me!) 22:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

delete - if jason brimelow is to be deleted for non notability then this entry should be deleted on the same criteria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.226.32 (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The external link isn't broken per se. If you click the link you'll see there was a pipe, the user tried to link as one does with internal links. The same is true of the other link. Fixed now. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 22:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, fixed links on the sources don't really prove enough notability, but simply verify the contents (however, see below). AllynJ (talk | contribs) 22:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Further comment, oddly, the first link claims he's "Richard A. Russell, Director; US Department of Homeland Security". Odd; I really doubt that to be true, considering this link doesn't list him, or anyone titled as just 'Director'. The other link calls him "Deputy Associate Director of National Intelligence for Information Sharing and Customer Outreach". Just as odd, a different title for what one can assume is the same position as posted in the article. Now I'm throughly confused. :p Neither of the links assert any kind of notability except him being Director of Homeland Security - but as I say, I don't think that's correct... AllynJ (talk | contribs) 23:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * New Comment We are I am in the process of adding additional sources and references to support Mr. Russell's notability. Additionally, we I believe that if the  Information Sharing Community Outreach (ISCO) is important enough to stay on that its director's Bio should be listed as well.Pmp48596 17:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 *  Speedy keep Slightly alarmed by tone of the last comment - Who's we? Possible WP:COI, if acting on behalf of an organization. That said, http://weblog.infoworld.com/article/05/06/28/HNgovernmentinfo_1.html http://www.gcn.com/print/23_15/26219-1.html and http://www.gcn.com/print/26_07/43404-1.html http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2006/November/SecurityBeat.htm provide adequate basis for case of note, and plainly meet WP:V & WP:RS, as do at least two other sources. Major cleanup required - will gladly undertake if survives AfD. Interesting topic, and well within the notability guidelines, both WP:BIO and WP:NOTE. MrZaius  talk  18:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Point Taken I modified my previous comment to clarify that I am/was in the process of updating the Wiki entry. By using we, I was referring to the initial author of the page and myself.  Thank you for pointing out my ambiguous use of the word we. Pmp48596 19:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Still alarmed by COI issues with original author, who attributed the photo on the page as "this image is a government photo of mr. russell authorized for use on wikipedia by mr. russell." - Be he Russell or his subordinate? Rewrite might seem in order, after close. Notability's plain enough, but the article may not warrant retention in its current state. MrZaius  talk  13:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Likely WP:COI : Martinor 22:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * original author comment i posted the information about mr. russell based on my interest in the activities of the DNI with respect to modernization of the intel community toward creating a collaborative environment. i contacted mr. russell's office and asked them to send me a photo.  i have no personal interest in promoting mr. russell, however it was my intent to post information regarding other key players in the intel community supporting the ODNI in the future.


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