Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Bachman (ice hockey)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Richard Bachman (ice hockey)

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Delete seems to fail WP:ATHLETE, was a college hockey player, a late pro draft pick but apparently never played in the NHL. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per failing notability guideline above Lets  drink  Tea  02:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per WP:BIO. South Bay (talk) 04:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Bachman just turned pro today and left his college where he was a starting goaltender. If this article needs deletion, please see the following and delete them as well:Bill Sweatt,Lee Sweatt.keystoneridin! (talk) 06:07, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Goalie on a pro team (Dallas Stars), makes him notable.-- Giants27 T/  C  12:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, yet to play at the top level, fails WP:ATHLETE presently. Can be recreated if he ever gets a top grade game.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep - appears to now be a pro.► Chris Nelson Holla! 15:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Bachman inked a three-year contract with the NHL's Dallas Stars yesterday, news that hit the web a few hours after the article was nominated. In response to "can be recreated", I would say "can be renominated if he doesn't play in a game between now and the end of the NHL season".   We'll never know for sure if the article or this nomination was a factor in Bachman and Dallas coming to an agreement-- I can see it now: "Get lost kid, you don't even have an article on Wikipedia, you ain't notable!" "I do NOW Mr. Hicks!  Look!"  "Yeah, but it's been nominated for deletion... alright, we'll offer you a three year deal, and you'd better take it before your little article gets deleted." Mandsford (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Response, which part of WP:ATHLETE does he meet then? Just being signed doesn't mean that he'll inevitably play, and he has not yet "competed at the fully professional level of a sport".  Seems fairly clear-cut to me.  I'll recreate it myself if he ever does get a verifiable top league match, but he doesn't meet the standards yet.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:54, 29 March 2009 (UTC).
 * It doesn't appear that will be necessary. Mandsford (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He is expected to be the third string behind Turco. He makes notability for being the first player since Curtis Joseph to win rookie of the year and player of the year in the same season. He also makes notability for being on the USA under 18 international team, which is clearly stated in the WP:ATHLETE.keystoneridin! (talk) 04:11, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, where does it say in WP:ATHLETE that playing on a junior/youth team implies notability? Indeed, this line of reasoning has been shot down at previous discussions.  Also, the WCHA appears only to be a (non-professional?) student hockey league, so I'm not sure how notable such an award really is, even if someone famous has previously won it as well (indeed, the award is not even mentioned on Curtis Joseph).  Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC).

He also played for USA hockey, which is notable. Also, to put this into perspective, Bachman could be compared to a practice squad football player. If you do not know much about hockey, or how hockey intertwines with the NCAA you should really keep your admin privledges to what you do know.keystoneridin! (talk) 05:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Notable hockey player. high draft pick who turned pro signing a three-year deal with the Dallas Stars. FYI it's been determined an athlete can still be notable with other general notability critera even if failing WP:Athlete.--Bhockey10 (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.