Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Clark (director)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Richard Clark (director)

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Article has hardly been edited over many years, and has been tagged for improvement for two years. There are only two references; one is dead, the other is only an award announcement. Fails WP:BIO due to not having received significant coverage in multiple published independent sources. While there is an exception for a person who has received an award or honour, the award in this case was given to the work (an episode of Doctor Who) and not to the person. Checking against WP:FILMMAKER also fails; 1, not widely cited; 2, nothing of significance cited; 3, handful of episodes, not a major role; 4, work does not appear to have attained required level of significance. H. Carver (talk) 03:49, 11 September 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: Relisting to evaluate new sources of notability. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Television,  and United Kingdom.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:20, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Just nothing that based on the commonality of the name, a search is going to be very hard due to false positives. Jclemens (talk) 14:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, a search under "Richard Clark Doctor Who director", "Richard Clark The Musketeers director" etc only brought up two sources that were not directory listings or Wikipedia mirrors, this which is extremely iffy but does have an editorial team, so it might be a reliable source, and this, which is just a Doctor Who fan podcast. As such, he fails WP:GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:49, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above reasoning he fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO nor WP:FILMMAKER. Nassimela (talk) 21:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes WP:FILMMAKER 4(c): "won significant critical attention." Besides the Ray Bradbury Award, he also won a 2012 Hugo Award for the same Dr. Who episode, which the article does not yet mention. I added the link to his talk page. These two major awards went to the director and writer, not the producers. The article is already marked as a stub. It just needs expansion. He has a lot more credits according to IMDb.  5Q5 &#124;&#9993; 11:33, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep A person doesn't have to be notable in the current tense to pass WP:NOTE. Seems to be notable from 2 major awards.Mr.weedle (talk) 04:26, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep - I believe 5Q5's discovery of the Hugo Award pushes it into WP:FILMMAKER passing territory, as the Hugo Award is not a small thing, especially when you add it to the already mentioned Ray Bradbury Award, which again, is not an insignificant thing and those two combined certainly count as "significant critical attention". It is frustratingly difficult to find sources because of the common name; even adding director doesn't help, there's directors of pathology and humane societies galore on resources like Newspapers.com and even a Richard Clark, some sort of director of C. & J. Clark. Adding "Dr Who" to the end of his name just gives tons of results saying "Dr Richard Clark, who..." and it's very frustrating that I can't show notability by way of WP:GNG, but I think notability by way of WP:FILMMAKER is pretty evident. - Aoidh (talk) 06:44, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think the article needs work, and I will confess I am somewhat surprised at the level of coverage, particularly non-Doctor Who-related coverage, of him that can readily be found online. So I can see why people would have concerns about this article. However, he has directed episodes of several major TV series, and I think his directing the Bradbury and Hugo Award winning "The Doctor's Wife" is clear evidence of a notable contribution to popular culture. Dunarc (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Hugo is a MAJOR award; all winners are, by our own standards, notable. Thus, any remaining problems can be corrected through normal editing. Jclemens (talk) 06:45, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.