Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Hillgrove


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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 10:14, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Richard Hillgrove

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Despite this subject's attempt to apparently seek publicity, he is relatively unknown, thus this becomes a violation of BLPCRIME, as this article is mostly about the subjects tax issues. Two kinds of pork (talk) 02:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Keep. Article not just about the criminal case against Hillgrove. He has received extensive coverage of his (alleged) role in the Nigella Lawson case in UK national newspapers and numerous other sources. Article content well supported by reliable sources such as The Telegraph and Press Gazette who thought him important enough to write an article about. Subject has widely publicised the court case against himself and article makes it clear that he has not been convicted. As a self-publicist, subject has chosen to be in the public eye: Tensesloan (talk) 20:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/business/dragons-den-pr-blasts-nazi-hmrcs-slaughter-of-innocents-in-tax-battle/5801.article
 * http://www.thebiponline.co.uk/bip/dragons-den-pr-guru-fights-wrongful-accusation-of-tax-evasion/
 * http://www.bmmagazine.co.uk/news/10511/dragons-den-pr-guru-to-sue-hmrc-for-wrongful-arrest/


 * Just because event X is notable, does not make every participant who may be involved in X notable. Just because the subject has chosen to be in the public eye, doesn't mean we need to have an article about him.  While it's not a litmus test, if after reading the lead of an article it doesn't strike me as noteworthy, it usually is because it isn't.  Just my musings.Two kinds of pork (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. No evidence of any significant independent notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't find multiple articles in national media about him persuasive? Tensesloan (talk) 23:11, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete As above. Merely being mentioned in the news is not equivalent to notability. Fails GNG, SIGCOV and NOTNEWS. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, nice hat, but the article seems to just be an excuse to criticise the subject. Not appropriate for a BLP.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC).
 * Comment There are now eleven references in the article, nine of which are for articles directly about Hillgrove, one to his own blog and one to an article in The Telegraph that provides background. Inevitably he will be mentioned in connection with famous people as his job is PR, it doesn't diminish his independent notability which I believe the references demonstrate. Sorry if it is all a bit negative, that's just how it worked out. Please add content that reflects well on Hillgrove if you can find any. I couldn't find much apart from his awards in New Zealand. Tensesloan (talk) 13:53, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * delete per NOTNEWS. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Added 2006 and 2007 info and references from The Times and The Independent. Subject is notable in his own right. Tensesloan (talk) 12:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The problem is his notability is all derivative from the people he worked/works for. So far he has not had a "Kato Kaelin" moment.Two kinds of pork (talk) 14:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * A good PR man would be invisible for exactly that reason but Hillgrove seeks the limelight and I believe he has become notable in his own right. The articles included in the references focus on his personal actions, not those of his clients, though inevitably the clients are a part of the story. I refer you to references 2 to 10 and 12 to 14 (as at the time of posting this message) which are about Hillgrove directly. Tensesloan (talk) 20:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.