Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Ibranyi


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The result was   delete. postdlf (talk) 05:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Richard Ibranyi

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This is a non-notable individual. Would have redirected the page to Most Holy Family Monastery, except that they kicked him out. Article previously deleted A7 Taroaldo    ✉   23:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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Richard Ibranyi is sufficiently notable. He is a founder of a religious order that has dozens of people, and has hundreds of inquirers seeking to join. He is mentioned on notable websites like Most Holy Family Monastery, and even had debates with famous people like Hutton Gibson, Mel Gibson's father. You can find Ibranyi's articles on numerous websites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlaviusConstantinus (talk • contribs) 02:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. The thing is, founding a religious order doesn't mean that he or the order is notable. Many people create religious orders, original religions, new churches, or offshoots of mainstream religions all the time. It's the nature of the beast, so to speak. Sometimes these offshoots or churches become notable in their own right, such as the Westboro Baptist Church. Sometimes the people who created them become notable in their own right. Most times these people don't become notable and the persons involved becomes infamous but is never mentioned or referenced in enough reliable sources to bestow notability. The only source I found that even begins to give notability is a mention in this book, but one brief mention is not enough to give notability. I did see where Ibranyi is discussed to some degree on various websites, but none of them are considered to be a reliable source that could show notability. Infamy does not equal out to notability and you could have someone and/or their work mentioned on a million websites, but if none of those websites are considered reliable sources then they're about as useful as if there were zero mentions of him out there. As far as numbers of his order go, numbers don't equal out to notability. He could have a thousand members and a million wanting to join, but that doesn't give notability. It might make it more likely he'd be covered, but it doesn't give notability. This guy just isn't notable. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   03:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd actually argue against his inclusion in any part of Wikipedia. I see where he's been added to pages such as Most Holy Family Monastery, but I fail to see where he's been mentioned in any RS that would show that him being a member of that organization is particularly of note. Being thrown out of an organization doesn't mean that you're notable or should be mentioned on a page for that organization. I don't see where he's really that notable of a member, as the only person who really seems to care is Ibranyi himself. Not even the non-RS seem to particularly care that he was thrown out either, so if this is deleted (and I'm certain it will be), I'd recommend removing him from the MHFM as well. It doesn't look like he founded it or did anything other than act as a member until his removal. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Actually, he is the one that introduced sedevacantism to Most Holy Family Monastery, which is one of the leading sedevacantist organizations today. He is one of the few who remain who promotes "Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus". And do you have the right, according to Wikipedia policy, to call him "nature of the beast"? You are voicing your opinion which is not tolerant towards a religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlaviusConstantinus (talk • contribs) 19:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete: No Google News hits, and a straight G-search turns in the usual top level hits that are sure signposts of non-notability: his Linkedin page, YouTube hits, various social media. Lacking, of course, are reliable sources which would satisfy the GNG.  I've two comments for FlaviusConstantinus.  First, to take offense at a perfectly innocuous turn of phrase which was not -- as even the most casual browser must surely see -- aimed at the subject is not only baroque, it's uncivil.  Second, whatever the subject's contribution to religious thought, that's not the measure of whether someone meets the notability standards for a Wikipedia article.  It's whether the world has heard of his contributions to religious thought.  So far, seemingly, it hasn't, and that's the bottom line.  (One hopes that that's a suitably enough religion-free idiom, so that it isn't possible to construe it as a religious attack of some sort.)   Ravenswing   02:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do NOT Delete: You want to delete this article on the grounds of the individual lacking notability? If you are looking for notability, why don't you honestly look? If you sincerely ran a Google Search on his name instead of immediately discriminating against Mr. Ibranyi and his "notability," you would have discovered that there are hundreds of hits besides his own writings, YouTube, and social media sites. He is very notable among so-called "Catholic" websites and so-called "Believers." Of course there are writings criticizing him, as there can be found writings criticizing almost everyone that lives or has lived. You would also find that some writers refer to him not by his recognizable name, Richard Ibranyi, but only by his initials, "R.I." because these people are too afraid to give him due credibility. So what are your REAL votes for deletion based on? Is it because you have never heard of him? Is it because you have heard of him and didn't like what you heard based on your own personal prejudices? Those are not qualities for being a Wikipedia Administrator. I personally know Richard Ibranyi and everything written about him in this article is true and can be sourced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatholicCrusade2013 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Reply: First off, I moved the rant about Ibranyi concerning his inclusion on the monastery article to the talk page there. Secondly, I just put back in the SineBot signature that the SPA very curiously removed.  There.  That being said ... I heartily recommend that the SPA review the links at WP:PILLAR to gain a better understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  In particular, we don't commonly accept fringe websites, personal accounts and blogs as supporting our notability standards, the main one which is WP:GNG.  The GNG holds that to be considered "notable" by Wikipedia standards, a subject must be discussed in "significant detail" in reliable, independent, published, third-party sources with a reputation for fact checking.  Organizational websites seldom qualify; what we mean by "reliable sources" are published books, the major print media, TV networks and the like.  Being linked on romancatholicism.org or johnthebaptist.us (which, it seems, is the subject's own website) doesn't qualify Ibranyi for a Wikipedia article.  Pieces on him in (say) the New York Times or on ABC Nightline would.   Ravenswing   00:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG, simple as that. Want to argue otherwise? Present reliable sources that give the subject significant coverage, rather than bizarre conspiracy theories. Stalwart 111  12:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - per others. United States Man (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Do NOT Delete: - From my research, this individual is sufficiently notable. There are so many less notable individuals on Wikipedia that have been approved that I wouldn't be able to list them all on this page. He is linked to hundreds of websites and has debated people like Hutton Gibson, Mel Gibson's father. He influence is immense, if it wasn't for him Most Holy Family Monastery might not have been sedevacantist today. He is also well known in New Mexico, where he and his flock make yearly processions on Good Friday. Just do an honest research and it becomes apparent that he is sufficiently notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussianOrthodoxEmpire (talk • contribs) 03:52, 17 June 2013 (UTC)  — RussianOrthodoxEmpire (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete - would need sources better than self-published and Youtube. Esoglou (talk) 07:47, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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