Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Keech


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The result was   delete Richard Keech. I am not happy about using WP:IAR to delete Murder of Nicholas Candy, which was added to the discussion mid-way: it should be nominated separately for its own discussion. JohnCD (talk) 14:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Richard Keech

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Richard Keech was tagged for speedy, but I do not think WP:CSD applies here. The article is about a murderer who seems borderline notable to me. I would usually propose merging to the article about the Murder of Nicholas Candy per WP:CRIME's suggestion, but this is fiercely opposed on Talk:Richard Keech by someone who claims to be the subject's son. I am a bit unsure what is the best way forward here, and would welcome opinions. —Kusma (t·c) 19:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I saw the message from "someone who claims." Keech himself is only notable for one event, which is essentially no notability at all. If this information were to be kept it would belong on the article about the murder. Since the only reliable sources on Keech are already included in the article about the murder, there's nothing to salvage. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete – Frankly, both articles should be deleted. Richard Keech was but one of the millions of servicemen & women in WWII who were POWs or killed or wounded. He told his story to his son, Steven, who wants Wikipedia to be the place where the stories are stored. But WP is not the place for such remembrances. The unusual aspect of Richard's life was the crime that occurred later on and the imprisonment. But the crime itself was not so unusual – it, too, was one of thousands that occur every day. The crime is recorded in one newspaper and the release from prison is recorded in another. But the sourcing for other aspects of Richard's life is not apparent. As I have suggested and encouraged on the talk pages, there are better places for such memorializations. (I have no doubt that Steven Keech is Richard's son, and I hope Steven won't be offended by the "claims to be" comments. They are not meant to be derogatory.) – S. Rich (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: The entries above this point were made before I added Murder of Nicholas Candy to the discussion. —Kusma (t·c) 20:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

and Murder of Nicholas Candy

 * I have added Murder of Nicholas Candy to the discussion. I believe this crime fails WP:GNG and WP:N/CA and does not need a place on Wikipedia. —Kusma (t·c) 20:18, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete – I want this article about Richard E Keech deleted and all references to Richard E Keech removed from Wikipedia.The article is completely misleading and I can not correct it.

The article about him has been simplified to the point that all it says is that he is a murderer and Nicholas candy is the victim.

Who cares about this tiny bit of information but the family of Nicholas candy and my family? This is hardly encyclopedia material.

Oh, there's no doubt that my dad killed Nicholas candy. The problem is discussing why. Motivation it makes all the difference.

I am at an impasse. I cannot discuss Richard E Keech's motivation. I will not discuss his motivation. The sister of Nicholas candy has been hurt enough by the loss of of brother: I will not compound this hurt by blackening the name of her brother. It was serve no purpose but satisfy my sense of justice. I can stand some loss of justice to avoid hurting his sister further. Let the dead keep their secrets.

So I'm at a loss to improve the article.

I'm amazed that you say that he earned no major decorations. To me the bronze star is pretty major. I have a newspaper article detailing sabotage he did as a prisoner to the Japanese ships.

I'm amazed that you say that he fought no major campaigns. The battle of Corregidor might've been a lost one that we would like to forget but he still fought in it.

Here's a website of his writings which are published from his estate.

http://free-at-last.businesscatalyst.com/the-last-battle.html

Perhaps it will give you some understanding, perhaps not.

I want this article deleted. It contains nothing of value.

Steven Richard Keech (Son of Richard Keech) 20:31, 1 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Semperfi1919 (talk • contribs)


 * Delete Richard Keech article: the article was far more detailed previously, and has since been whittled down. I understand why his son is upset and angry as this stub is unrepresentative of the totality of his father's life. Quis separabit?  21:16, 1 February  2014 (UTC)
 * Also, better to delete the Keech article than have to deal with OTRS/Wikimedia issues later. Quis separabit?  02:32, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note this is without prejudice to the Murder of Nicholas Candy article, which should be decided on its own merits or lack thereof. Quis separabit?  14:08, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


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 * Delete Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete The only notable thing I see about Richard Keech is the murder - and were he still living that would fall under wp:BLP1E. It certainly falls under wp:CRIME, meaning that Richard Keech is either Delete or Merge (I side with delete especially as the current state of the article falls foul of wp:COATRACK).  As for the murder, this is the first time I've done this - but although it scrapes past the GNG with the background that editing turned Richard Keech's article into a coatrack and the obvious distress the only marginally notable article is causing his son I'm going to invoke wp:IAR for my first time on Wikipedia and say delete the murder as well. Neonchameleon (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
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