Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia

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Was prodded, editor removed the prod. Non notable equestrian fails WP:ATHLETE .Some of the sources don't mention Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia or Rick Silvia. The ones that do are about his horse and Dream Street Stallions not him. A Google search for Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia and Rick Silvia  doesn't bring up non trivial third party sources to verify the claim. Sandahl (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep- Article and subject meet both the athlete and notability requirements. I don't understand why this would be up for deletion. All of the referenced articles include information on the above named person.--32.179.9.171 (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is a notable article. The subject has won the highest level of professional sport (Sport Horse Breeding). Plus the subject has received a Dressage Federation (US national governing body) Gold Medal. Owns a horse in the Hall of fame and has sent a horse to the World Championships. I also think being the youngest person to have been listed as the USEF leading owner is notable. This is one of the most note worthy people in Equestrian sport. A google search does show many results from third party publications. Including magazines published by the sports governing body, the Chronicle of The Horse, Dressage Today magazine, Dressagedaily.com, Eurodressage.com and many others. The name has been searched hundreds of thousands of times. Also, its a bit confusing as the individual has a - last name. Some articles only list Silvia, while others only list Rockefeller. --MetroBioAuthor (talk) 20:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC) — MetroBioAuthor (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia meets the criteria for a notable equestrian. His program, riding, and horses have won both national and international championships. Winning Dressage at Devon is considered to be the one of the most notable things a professional equestrian can do. Further the sources linked to this page are very reliable. The Chronicle of The Horse is the oldest equestrian publication in America and Dressagedaily.com is one of the top ranked google sites when searching dressage. Richard Rockefeller-Silvia is the owner and founder of Dream Street Stallions and his horses are also noted in the USDF Hall of Fame. This article should NOT be deleted! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.10.87 (talk) 19:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)  — 98.203.10.87 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Keep This article is important to keep; Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia, regardless of the style in which his name is referenced through various search engines or media sources, is a unique and influencable character to their trade based on age and documentable actions.  Reliable sources as mentioned above and throughout the article- as well as throughout numerous internet searches- such as USDF (United States Dressage Federation), USEF (United States Equestrian Federation), Dressage Today, EuroDressage, HorsesDaily, GOV (German Oldenburg Verband), as well as the FEI (Federation Equestre Internationale) have tagged this individual as one that has an extensive resume for international success in the equestrian field, more specifically that of Dressage (further defining this individual's athletic contribution) and Sport Horse Breeding.  At an unprecedented young age this equestrian exhibits an obvious keen sense for selecting international caliber horses, training them, and competing them to various internationally recognizable titles, which in itself is also a contribution to his garnering an exhorbant amount of media and press.  Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia has made a significant impact on Sport Horse Breeding in the United States.  With reference to documentation used to support this article-his selection of interesting and successful equine bloodlines has not only directly influenced breeding in the United States but also the international opinion of the equestrian body.  In comparing this individual with other equestrian athletes, Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia is one individual who has and currently is transforming equestrian history. This article needs to be a reference for the equestrian industry and community.  Without Richard L Rockefeller-Silvia's contributions as an athlete as well as notable niche for Sport Horse Breeding and social networking, the industry would be missing a piece of the puzzle.  --Ksl2009 (talk) 00:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)ksl2009 — ksl2009  (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment This discussion could use some comments from experienced editors. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep No doubt he fails WP:ATHLETE, but it surely seems that he passes the basic WP:BIO standard of substantial coverage from reliable sources. It's not a high-quality article, and the referencing could be improved, but there's enough there I think to prove his notability.  Nyttend (talk) 05:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) • contribs) has made tons of edits outside this topic.
 * In response to what MetroBioAuthor says — Perhaps I'm misunderstanding things, but I understood the article to say that horses he owned did all these interesting things. The accomplishments that are plainly his, such as placing highly in the youth championships, I don't see as being the highest level of amateur sport required by WP:ATHLETE.  Still, it's not like it matters that much for keep/delete purposes; to take a random example, Gerald Ford was a sportsperson who didn't pass the WP:ATHLETE criteria, but he's notable for other reasons.  Nyttend (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * In response to the comment listed directly above, There is no mention of youth championships in the article. Rather young horse championships, which is a professional sector of the sport. Further, the subject received a USDF Gold medal, which is the highest award for Olympic level sport given in the USA. Which does meet the WP:ATHLETE criteria. --MetroBioAuthor (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep I have to agree with Nyttend subject passes general notability threshold. It's not a great article, and I'm really unhappy about the apparent shenanigans above, but it is improvable.Horrorshowj (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Person is notable enough, but needs improvement. ♣ Princess  Clown  ♥ 01:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


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