Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Mason (singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The decision, via AfD consensus, that The Night Runners are a nonnotable band makes this article's satisfying of WP:MUSBIO rather unlikely; and since the few participants here (other than the sockpuppet) are advocating deletion, the consensus is clear. Deor (talk) 12:34, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Richard Mason (singer)

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Does not meet WP:MUSIC. The main claim of significance is being a member of a band whose article is already being discussed (see Articles for deletion/The Night Runners), the only separate claim is having co-written a song that was offered to One Direction but no evidence that they recorded it. January ( talk ) 16:14, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you should read A7 in the speedy deletion section as it states: It is irrelevant whether the claim of notability within the article is not sufficient for the notability guidelines. If the claim is credible, the A7 tag can not be applied and any claim against the page would be inadmissible. Often what seems non-notable to a new page patroller is shown to be notable in a deletion discussion. Important note: '''Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion. A mere claim of significance, even if contested, may avoid speedy deletion under A7'''. --Iampixiedust (talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Meaning just because you may not be familiar with the show "X Factor USA", Richard Mason, or "The Night Runners" for that matter, does not grant you the right to request deletion of this page when substantial evidence and references have been cited to discredit your accusation of Richard Mason page being deleted. --Iampixiedust (talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

This page should not be deleted because all references have been already previously approved. All references have been well credited from reliable sources such as IMDB, the The X Factor (U.S. season 1) Wikipedia page, being a member of pop band The Night Runners, as well as writing the viral hit song "With You" where Richard Mason received several online publication and success as a public figure. No content on this page violates any copyrights. All content is verifiable, and all terms and conditions are met. I kindly ask that you do not delete this page.--Iampixiedust (talk) 16:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * This is not a WP:CSD (speedy deletion) nomination, this is WP:Articles for deletion which is a separate process. IMDb and other Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources (see WP:RS/IMDB and WP:CIRCULAR). Only two of the references appear to be independent and neither of these address the subject in sufficient depth to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. January  ( talk ) 18:46, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

If a previous Wikipedia Page has been approved by multiple Admins then it clearly is a reliable source. IMDB is a major source. Also note that the Richard Mason (singer) page has sufficient depth as it states so in WP:SIGCOV: --Iampixiedust (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.--Iampixiedust (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

'''"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.'''--Iampixiedust (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

So clearly, my main "Reliable" needs no verifiable evaluation given that this page was already approved by a previous Admin. --Iampixiedust (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything to show that the band or Mason is ultimately notable enough for their own articles. Night Runners did perform on X-Factor, but in the very early group rounds where dozens of groups/people are eliminated. In other words, they were eliminated in a part of the show where we would typically not list contestants because there are so very many of them. Being on a TV show does not give automatic notability and this is a good example of how notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by being involved with a notable show. The band did get some coverage (CNN Latino, a local Miami Fox station) but not nearly enough to where they'd warrant an article on Wikipedia. As far as the sourcing goes, most of it is either WP:PRIMARY (meaning released by the band or someone directly involved with them) or WP:TRIVIAL (meaning it can be used to back up minor details but not major ones). Of the other sources, one is a press release (meaning it's a primary source regardless of where it's posted) and the other is a blog-type source that wouldn't be usable for notability either. I see where he submitted a song for 1D to potentially sing, but the band has not performed the song and it got no farther than it ultimately being something that he posted to YouTube. There are hundreds upon thousands of songs that have been created for notable performers that have never been picked up by the performers and is another good example of how notability is not automatically inherited by a notable person being involved with something- even tenuously. Bluntly put, Mason just isn't notable at this point in time. As far as reliable sources in general go, I won't elaborate too much more- I put a fairly good explanation of sourcing on the AfD for the band but I do want to say that other Wikipedia articles are not usable as a major source of notability- they'd be considered trivial sources because ultimately Wikipedia wants independent and reliable coverage. It's assumed that if someone is notable enough to be mentioned in relation to something that would merit a keep on that basis alone, the topic would have enough coverage to where we wouldn't be relying on another Wikipedia article for notability- especially considering that anyone can edit a Wikipedia page. Other than that, I do want to note that User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz declining a speedy deletion for The Night Runners doesn't mean that he endorses the article staying on Wikipedia or endorses the creation of an additional article for Mason. It just meant that TNR had enough of an assertion of notability to where it can't be speedy deleted- it can still be nominated and deleted at AfD. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

May i remind you that per Wikipedia Guidelines for speedy deletion you are all contesting deletion based of your opinion on notability: Important note: Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion. A mere claim of significance, even if contested, may avoid speedy deletion under A7. ---Iampixiedust (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)-Iampixiedust (talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Meaning just because you may not be familiar with "X Factor USA", "Richard Mason (singer) or "The Night Runners" for that matter, does not grant you the right to request deletion of this page when substantial evidence and references have been cited to discredit your accusation of The Night Runners page being deleted. --Iampixiedust (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)--Iampixiedust (talk) 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Do Not Delete: I "repeat", this page was already approved by another ADMIN. If there was an issue with this article to begin with, the ADMIN would have brought it up. Everything was approved and warranted the right to be included into Wikipedia. If more references are wanted, i will provide more in the coming days. However, do not delete this page. --Iampixiedust (talk) 17:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - All articles in Wikipedia are always subject to the deletion process, even those that have been previously nominated and survived. It is part of the building blocks of the site that attempts to keep notable articles alive and kicking in encyclopedic format. From the sockpuppet comment below, I am sure that you are already aware of that, but wanted to point it out just in case. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Again, this is not a nomination for speedy deletion, the A7 criteria you are quoting do not apply to this process. The issue is whether the subject meets notability guidelines (see WP:N, WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC) If you have additional sources that would help establish notability please link to them so that others can review. I can't see anything in the history that suggests anyone has previously approved this article (although even if it had that does not mean it cannot be deleted through this process). January  ( talk ) 07:11, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin: User:Iampixiedust was found to be a sockpuppet of User:Mason8252, as well as a slew of other accounts opened by the same editor. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   08:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Conditional Redirect? or Delete - Is there such a thing? Outside of the group, this guy really has not done anything to warrant an independent article, including being talked about in depth in multiple WP:RS. If the band page survives (and that would be a big "if" at this point), I would say redirect to that page. If not, then delete is the only other option that I see. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.