Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Raymond (pianist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Star  Mississippi  01:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Richard Raymond (pianist)

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Nothing on this guy but articles about a student of his, fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Allan Nonymous (talk) 18:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  19:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep Article was unsourced, and still requires some cleanup and improvement, however the subject is notable under GNG and WP:NMUSIC, particularly criteria 1 and 9. I added a few sources found quickly from a google search. A deeper search may reveal more. Bgv. (talk) 23:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A competition is only "major" enough to fulfill NMUSIC #9 if it gets WP:GNG-worthy media coverage that reports its winners as news, and is not "major" enough to pass that criterion if you have to rely on its own self-published press releases because third-party coverage treating it as newsworthy is non-existent. So he hasn't been shown to pass #9 at all, and with only one real media source about him he has not yet been shown to pass #1 either. Bearcat (talk) 15:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see one article that may satisfy the WP:GNG criterion, however, we'd need more sustained coverage in order for it to actually pass WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * With respect to the concern of competitions not being major, I only now noticed that the citation in the article is to the subject's self-published website, however the wins have been confirmed by other sources (e.g., ). I'll digress that the competitions cited are not "major" enough to have their winners make the mainstream news, however the status of winning of (specifically) the Stepping Stone Competition has been cited by mainstream news sources in their determination of endorsements for young musicians (e.g. , , and less significant coverage ). Focusing more heavily on NMUSIC #1 and the GNG, please see 1 and 2 above, along with this news article, and this inclusion of his biography backing the claims of notability from the Quebec Contemporary Music Society. For what it's worth, his discography was aired on the radio, as demonstrated here, and here. I will plug a few of these into the article, hopefully by the time anyone is reading this. Bgv. (talk) 01:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep: Meets WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Pianist are usually argued to be non notable but not here. Winning awards per WP:ANYBIO and performing at notable places makes the article individual notable. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 07:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete There are only 2 references that are substantially about him: The first Artsfile one and the WaPo one. Both of these, however, are reviews of specific performances and say little about him "biographically." The big problem is that most of the rest of the citations are not independent. The Forest Hill one is taken directly from his web site, as is the SMCQ one. Many of the others are mere name-checks, such as him named in the last CBC reference merely in passing. So I don't find anything independent to support a biography. Lamona (talk) 04:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comments - Marginal. It's unclear if he's a full professor. The coverage, as noted, is not quite significant as most editors would define it. Bearian (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.