Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Venable


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:43, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Richard Venable

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Apparently was mayor of Sullivan County, Tennessee. Per WP:POLOUTCOMES says county level legislators are not automatically notable. Yes there are some local sources name dropping him for a quote about local issues but I'm having trouble sourcing in-depth coverage about him. He was a member of the Tennessee House of Representatives, don't know whether that implies any automatic notability, WP:BIO suggests that it doesn't. Mattg82 (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 04:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 04:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 04:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep NPASR Nominator hasn't prepared the nomination enough to know if members of the Tennessee House of Representatives are presumed notable.    Unscintillating (talk) 06:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep- The nominator actually made the arguement to keep. He's notable as a member of the Tennessee House of Representatives. as per WP:NPOL #1 "Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature."--Rusf10 (talk) 17:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. WP:BIO is actually quite broad and vague about very general principles of biographical notability — which is why we have a substantial body of more detailed subject-specific inclusion standards (SNGs) for specific occupations in addition to BIO itself. The applicable one for politicians is WP:NPOL, which states in #1 that we do accept state legislators as notable. This does need a rewrite and some real sourcing, but he does pass our inclusion standards. Bearcat (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comments: Please note the "External links" I removed was an advertisement redirect and of course not acceptable as a reference even if viable. Important: The notability guidelines This page in a nutshell; "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. There is no inherited notability (automatic or not) and all articles, especially BLP's, have to have the above mentioned sources, no matter how much we like an article, per NRVE. I provided a primary source (as apposed to an unsourced article) but be advised that the nominator was not unjustified even if knowing there was primary sourcing for his term in the State Legislature. Like it or not having unsourced or poorly sourced BLP's violates at least one of the Five Pillars that includes a host of policies and guidelines and even relevant community-backed essays. If we really want the article it needs proper sourcing or we will have to hope a closer will accept a "keep" head count only" regardless of a lack of sourcing and policy. Otr500 (talk) 02:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Extra comments: If the subject here is the same "Richard S. Venable", according to other primary sources, he apparently reclaimed the office of Mayor.


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